[HOT] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities

FredM frmoine at gmail.com
Sun Oct 9 04:07:26 UTC 2016


Ok we will talk later, we will focus now on Grand Anse /Jeremy for 
damage assessment.

This department was in the eye of the storm

And then other priority. All the best FredM

In Port Au Prince for a couple of day it will easier to cross OSM work.



On 09/10/2016 05:39, Dale Kunce wrote:
> Great job Fred, glad that you've managed to get things going on your own.
> When if you have the imagery available please feel free to let us know 
> and we can make sure it's available on OpenAerialMap.
>
> Stay safe and we wish you the best.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:34 PM, FredM <frmoine at gmail.com 
> <mailto:frmoine at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Oups,
>
>     Didn't read all your message. I have seen my name but I don't have
>     time for that.
>
>     Could you stop to use it as I have no time to cross check what you
>     said. Fred can talk for Fred : )
>
>     Just came back from an assessment in Jeremie for the gouvernment.
>     We have huge work to do. So I am right now with the CNIGS and
>     civil protection. In the field we flew drone for planification (
>     Warehouse, fix the port, damage assessment, etc...)
>
>     Let me know if you have more UAV resource, For now we have 2 ebee
>     and 3 quadecopter. + Satellite imagery.
>
>     Drone imagery is useful, we are using it in our NGO to promote
>     technology and use it for local community. Not for the business or
>     the storytelling.
>
>     Only for operational purpose,... far away from the "Humanitarian
>     circus" or something else.
>
>     All the best FredM
>
>
>     On 09/10/2016 01:58, Dale Kunce wrote:
>>     Hey everyone,
>>     First thanks to everyone that has contributed to the base mapping
>>     thus far. Many humanitarian groups including the Red Cross,
>>     Canadian Military, and the UN. I would much rather be mapping
>>     than responding to the copious emails but I wanted to try and end
>>     the discussion so we can get back to mapping.
>>
>>     There has been a lot of chatter about UAV imagery the disaster
>>     imagery charter on the list serve with many accusations flying
>>     back and forth. I in my role as the activation lead for Hurricane
>>     Matthew, Vice-President of HOT, and GIS Lead for the American Red
>>     Cross see no value in trying to coordinate UAV use in Haiti. As
>>     has been said by Blake and Cristiano both of whom know more about
>>     this subject than I HOT should focus on the things we do best and
>>     leave coordination of UAV use and operation to UVAviators.
>>
>>     Yes HOT in 2010 was different and HOT members took extraordinary
>>     measures to update the map for humanitarians. Due largely to
>>     those efforts and later ones in the Philippines, West Africa,
>>     Nepal, and many others HOT has become a trusted source of map
>>     data immediately following a disaster. Groups like the ones
>>     mentioned above have deeply integrated into their work and trust
>>     HOT and its amazing volunteers to provide the map data. One of
>>     the reasons HOT is trusted is because of our consistency. We
>>     provide a very reliable service without causing a lot of drama
>>     for the large humanitarian organizations. Throughout my time
>>     responding to disasters over the last few years consistency is
>>     paramount during large scale disasters.
>>
>>     Comparing the airspace and subsequent use of UAVs in Tanzania,
>>     during normal "blue skies" times to the crowded chaotic airspace
>>     in Haiti shows a lack of basic understanding of the complexity of
>>     modern humanitarian operations. If I were empowered, which I'm
>>     not even close to being able to do, to simply put someone in a
>>     car or on a helicopter and send them into the affected areas I
>>     wouldn't. Given the reports from the area from UN, Red Cross, and
>>     other NGOs I would send food, water, and shelter kits.
>>
>>     HOT has declined to support Fred's effort not because we don't
>>     think he has the capability but rather because HOT should and
>>     must be consistent in our work. In fact, Fred flies drones
>>     professionally and is currently under contract to fly a drone
>>     mission in Canaan for American Red Cross prior to Hurricane
>>     Matthew, hence he was in Haiti during the storm. We must
>>     understand our place during large scale international disasters,
>>     we must know the limits of our work, and we must not put the
>>     organization at risk without ample time to study and think about
>>     those risks.
>>
>>     Lastly, as things have changed in disasters in the last few years
>>     the need to activate the imagery disaster charter has largely
>>     gone away. HOT has fantastic relationships with imagery providers
>>     and governments. All are often happy to provide imagery when they
>>     are capable of doing so.
>>
>>     If you would like to contribute to the current mapping in Haiti
>>     please grab a task at http://tasks.hotosm.org
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Cristiano Giovando
>>     <cristiano.giovando at hotosm.org
>>     <mailto:cristiano.giovando at hotosm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Nicolas,
>>
>>         As you well know HOT's strength is in pre-event baseline
>>         mapping. We
>>         have done some damage assessment and post-disaster mapping in the
>>         past, but it's not easy and with controversial results.
>>
>>         That being said, I'm sure other responding organizations who
>>         request
>>         HOT baseline mapping support may still find it useful to have
>>         high
>>         resolution imagery of post event areas, although limited to
>>         the range
>>         of a small UAV. I'm not in a position to speak for them.
>>
>>         Again - and I'm asking you personally, please - please let's
>>         avoid
>>         confrontation, insinuations, and bring up past arguments. It's
>>         absolutely not the time. If you care about Haiti and HOT,
>>         please try
>>         to engage with this community with a constructive, positive
>>         and humble
>>         approach. Long emails take effort and thinking, which now
>>         would be
>>         much better spent in actually doing (mapping?).
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>
>>         Cristiano
>>
>>
>>         On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, nicolas chavent
>>         <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         > Hi Blake,
>>         >
>>         > Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on the ground have skills
>>         and extensive
>>         > experience but little resources to keep up their work; this
>>         did not prevent
>>         > them from doing what they are good at. This can limit the
>>         span of their
>>         > action at a time where humanitarian actors need local
>>         capacities to generate
>>         > post disaster UAV imagery as well as satellite imagery to
>>         carry out post
>>         > disaster needs assessment. Support to their work can span
>>         from small
>>         > logistics support (rides in UNHAS, helis, plane and cars).
>>         This is quite
>>         > common to get such support in any sudden onset disaster
>>         responses when
>>         > GIS/UAV resources (leading to high impact for IM and
>>         decision making)
>>         > already undersized are rare, too rare.
>>         >
>>         > When HOT started its first field missions, we were exactly
>>         in the same
>>         > situation as Fred. Skilled individuals (less experimented
>>         though) with
>>         > adequate equipment, but with little operational resources.
>>         We did good.
>>         > Without the above mentioned forms of support, though our
>>         impact would have
>>         > been limited and the course of action for OMS in Haiti and
>>         in other
>>         > countries different.
>>         >
>>         > With the above in mind, it's weird to read that the
>>         president of HOT US Inc
>>         > stating that the only HOT US Inc support for Fred and this
>>         collective of
>>         > local Haitian dronists is only a well known list of UAV
>>         groups and a pointer
>>         > to UN OCHA. That's of no help.
>>         >
>>         > UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US Inc in Development and
>>         Disaster Risk
>>         > Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks to multi years of UAV
>>         activities in
>>         > Haiti, this country is no longer a terra incognita when it
>>         comes to drones
>>         > and there is no such thing as "UAV missions in disaster
>>         zones with
>>         > notoriously complicated airspaces" but an area where it's
>>         possible to
>>         > operate and make the difference we ought to the Haitians
>>         and to the Haitians
>>         > mappers/dronists who acquired part of their skills via HOT
>>         US Inc and OSM
>>         > folks.
>>         >
>>         > Do we have to understand that HOT US Inc will not help with
>>         simple
>>         > facilitation work with partner relief organizations working
>>         in Haiti, some
>>         > of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having representatives in the
>>         membership or the
>>         > Board ?
>>         >
>>         > Given where HOT US Inc comes from and ironically in Haiti,
>>         this would mean a
>>         > lot in terms of the losses of our
>>         operational/organizational ethos and would
>>         > raise questions about the reality of support/empowerment
>>         schemes to local
>>         > communities or possible conflict of interest between
>>         members/Board members
>>         > of HOT US Inc and other organizations.
>>         >
>>         > Best,
>>         > Nicolas
>>         >
>>         > [1] : https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania
>>         <https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania>
>>         >
>>         > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake Girardot
>>         <bgirardot at gmail.com <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >> Hi Nico,
>>         >>
>>         >> As you say, you and Fred have extensive experience in Hait
>>         and working
>>         >> with international partners in Haiti. Fred is actually on
>>         the ground
>>         >> in Haiti. You and he would be the best to coordinate him
>>         flying
>>         >> missions.
>>         >>
>>         >> This is not something HOT does, we do not coordinate or
>>         push for UAV
>>         >> missions in disaster zones with notoriously complicated
>>         airspaces. We
>>         >> rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled, by
>>         professionals, which
>>         >> you and Fred are, so I expect you should be able to handle
>>         making the
>>         >> proper arrangements and coordinations.
>>         >>
>>         >> I already suggested who to contact, UAviators, they have
>>         coordinated
>>         >> UAV missions in disaster zones in the past numerous times in
>>         >> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's contact, I passed
>>         it on to you
>>         >> already.
>>         >>
>>         >> This is all HOT can do, except eagerly anticipate the
>>         imagery Fred's
>>         >> missions generate.
>>         >>
>>         >> Regards,
>>         >> Blake
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