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Sat Oct 15 15:53:46 UTC 2016
I would just add that every one listed in Pierre's email was and is
welcome to join the HOT public slack channel to help and collaborate
on the activation and response, no one who wants to help is excluded.
To date, only Jean-Guilhem has joined, but not contributed.
At the moment, the greatest need is for validation of the initial mapping.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not really interested to engage in old nonsense and distractions like
> this. Does nothing to help anyone.
> Point still is, an additional tasking manager for this response is
> unnecessary and confusing.
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:25 AM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
> Mikel Maron mikel.maron at gmail.com wrote on Sat Oct 15 12:03:00 UTC 2016
>> Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of course going
>> to create conflicts.
>> There's no need at all to create jobs for Haiti on another tasking
>> manager. Simply, communicat
>> the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to the HOT activation
>> team and it will be prioritized and set up.
> Nicolas Chavent lead in January 2010 the OpenStreetMap Humanitarian
> Responses in Haiti, making a few trips in Haiti with other GIS from the not
> yet incorporated NGO called HOT. These first major Activtion add quite a
> great success and showed the capacity of NGO's to collaborate with UN
> agencies and humanitarian NGO's.
> From 2012, we started a serie of major Activations. I lead Activations for
> DR Congo, Mali, Haiyan Philippines, West Africa Ebola, Vanuatu and the Nepal
> earthquake last year. Severin also lead a serie of Activations for
> forgotten conflicts such as Central Africa an South Sudan. This brought in
> a lot of innovations, more and more confidence for humanitarian NGO's to
> work with OpenStreetMap.
> But badly at the same time there are conflicts inside HOT about orientations
> and some people that do not respect enough volunteers. New rules to control
> the Tasking manager, censorship of the HOT list, new rules that exclude the
> 'Bad frenchies' from the Activation lead, this is not the best when you
> start an Activation like this one for Haiti.
> Nicolas, Severin, Jean-Guilhem, Fred and myself all worked in Haiti to
> develop the OSM community. Fred Moine worked two years for the OIM in
> Port-au-Prince and continued collaboration with haitians to develop an
> Imagery acquisition project with Drones. He did provide 3D imagery for
> various location at risk such as Riviere Grise and Canaan.
> You and your friends Mikel have choose to not support Fred initiatives but
> to support later the development of Uviator.
> In parrallel to HOT our group of quite experienced leaders of OS Responses
> are working to support a team of OSM responders in Port-au-Prince. Fred
> Moine, Xavier Tardieu and Pressler Jean are working closely with the Haiti
> Civil Security. We did work to enhance the list of Schools and hospitals in
> the South West peninsula of Haiti. The OSM african contributors from Bouake
> organize Task Manager jobs to focus on the most affected areas. Our
> collegues in Port-au-Prince also had the opportunity last week to take an
> helico while the road was closed and take the first drone images of Jeremy
> to asssess the situation with the Haiti Civil Security. They will have new
> missions next week to cover more areas.
> There are tensions and hunger in these towns where more then 80% of houses
> are damaged or destructed. The drones offer a great possibility to help to
> assess the damages and the Civil Security wants to try this option.
> As Jean-Guilhem was saying yesterday (please stop to censor his emails) we
> will organise post-disaster tasks to evaluate damages.
> Dale was criticizing before such projects. As I told him after Haiyan, both
> OSM, Copernicus and others did evaluations using very bad aerial imagery due
> to bad atmospheric conditions. There were surely limits to such
> evaluations. Imagery from Drone offer quite better quality. Plus we have to
> adapt to the reality and needs of each Activation.
> In the best world we would work all together with respect and continue to
> progress to respond better and better to international humanitarian
> We have great experience with Activations and want to continue helping the
> international community and NGO's in such difficult situations. We need to
> concentrate in the western part of the South-west peninsula where NGO's did
> not deliver yet water and food, where teams of doctors circulate rapidly in
> some points to take care only of more wounded persons. Cholera is spreading
> and there is a high risk of epidemy.
> Mikel, Dale and other board members you decided to take different
> directions. If you are ready to work with respect, openess with us, to let
> the experienced volunteers continue to lead Activations and be on the DHN
> coordination room with our partners, tell us.
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