[HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

Phil (The Geek) Wyatt phil at wyatt-family.com
Thu Dec 14 21:27:38 UTC 2017



From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel.maron at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 5:21 AM
To: Dale Kunce; hot; OSMF Talk; nicolas chavent
Subject: Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder


Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the etiquette and moderation guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT. 


* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron



On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 12:43:16 PM EST, nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com> wrote: 



Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list and OSMF members, 

There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and OSMF member) in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of Conduct https://www. <https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct> hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct will be enforced on the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap mailing list to discuss uses of OSM in the humanitarian and development sectors [1]) which like other OpenStreetMap thematic mailing lists [2] (software development, tagging etc ...) and other discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) belong to the commons of the OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the OSMF and the OSM members and is yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC as reminded by the last OSMF election discussions [3]. 

It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap commons, that the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his own organization's conversational policy and procedures (which has never been voted by the HOT US Inc membership) over an OSM mailing list and narrow his focus and actions on the resources of his own organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or the conversations of the HOT US Inc membership. 

It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only perspective, shall we want this list to be the mailing list of anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not yet members) interested into the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and decentralized and not the list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap ecosystem active across the humanitarian and development sectors.   





[1]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[2]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[3]: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce <dale.kunce at gmail.com> wrote:

Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging remarks about the iD developers. This is not the first time an outside supporting group has been attacked by members of this list. Your words have meaning. Your words can have far greater impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have a huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission. 


One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from this list, rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual was and is key to helping the OSM community with important technology tools that we need to map better.


I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Code of Conduct https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct <https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct> . It will be enforced and offenders will be asked to leave our community if you cannot help us form a positive welcoming community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group to enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to enforce good positive communication norms.





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Dale Kunce


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