[HOT] TM3 and validation

Sat Oct 21 20:08:01 UTC 2017

I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.

That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got
feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know
they have probably never gotten feedback.

Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most
recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing
essentially.

regards
blake

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Remember I'm basically lazy.  I do two things when I validate.  The first is
> clean up the second is provide feedback.
>
> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response.  You get more
> tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality.  This means less clean
> up for me to do.
>
> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24 hours is
> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get much lower
> responses.
>
> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am I going to
> annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their bad habits as
> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being mentioned.  So
> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes longer for me
> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself.  Remember
> I'm lazy.
>
> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most recently mapped
> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.
>
> Does that make it clearer?  It's about problem avoidance or prevention
> rather than verifying the mapping as such.
>
> The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll take a quick
> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more things.
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" <blake.girardot at hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently
>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?
>>
>> I do not understand.
>>
>> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3 months
>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last mapped is
>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at redoing
>> his analysis).
>>
>> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback
>> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the newest
>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.
>>
>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already pretty crowded.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Blake
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is fine you know
>> > of
>> > course that people studying English like what it is spoke years ago
>> > travel
>> > to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language has been
>> > isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was spoke when
>> > their families emigrated.
>> >
>> > Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and the tiles
>> > they
>> > mapped but that isn't what I'm after.  I'm after the most recently
>> > mapped
>> > tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give feedback on.
>> >
>> > By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed below to give
>> > feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in JOSM, its
>> > faster
>> > than typing it in as you were doing.  Some mappers are naughty and do
>> > not
>> > completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires feedback even if
>> > someone else finishes it off.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Cheerio John
>> >
>> > On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi John,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the
>> >> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is really the
>> >> best place for them.
>> >>
>> >> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.
>> >>
>> >> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the skill level
>> >> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed by me, 7+
>> >> years in OSM.
>> >>
>> >> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest
>> >> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.
>> >>
>> >> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got one of
>> >> their tasks 5 mins ago.
>> >>
>> >> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.
>> >>
>> >> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I use the
>> >> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:
>> >>
>> >> https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY
>> >>
>> >> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if you would
>> >> please.
>> >>
>> >> Respectfully,
>> >> blake
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Typically when I validate I validate the most recently mapped tiles
>> >> > first
>> >> > working on the principle that the faster feedback the more likely it
>> >> > is
>> >> > to
>> >> > be effective.
>> >> >
>> >> > If someone has already changed their habits telling them that two
>> >> > villages
>> >> > two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a primary highway
>> >> > but
>> >> > by
>> >> > a minor road three months after they have mapped is a waste of time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I can't see how to do this in TM3.  I need a link to the tile.
>> >> >
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