[HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 92, Issue 15
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> 1. Livestream TODAY 1 PM US ET: HOT featured in The Role of
> Citizen Science Observatories and Crowdsourcing Community in the
> Global Earth Observation System of Systems (Lea Shanley)
> 2. Re: TM3 and validation (Florian Kratochwil)
> 3. Re: TM3 and validation (Michael Heißmeier)
> 4. Re: TM3 and validation (john whelan)
> 5. Map Size in new Task Manager (Richard Nairn)
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> Subject: [HOT] Livestream TODAY 1 PM US ET: HOT featured in The Role
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> Mikel Maron will be giving a presentation on the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
> Team today!
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>
> *The Role of Citizen Science Observatories and Crowdsourcing Community in
> the Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS)*
>
> A Group on Earth Observations Plenary XIV Side Event
> *Tuesday, October 24, 2017 from 1:00 - 5:30 PM EST*
>
> The growth of citizen science is a global phenomenon. In the United States,
> the scientific impacts of citizen science are recognized by 60 federal
> agencies and organizations, which coordinate and support hundreds of citizen
> science projects. In Europe, the European Commission continues to fund
> Citizen Observatories, beginning with the FP7 Programme and extending
> through active projects Ground Truth 2.0, LandSense, SCENT, and GROW.
> Similar initiatives are emerging in other parts of the world.
>
> GEO can benefit from these initiatives if standards and best practices in
> managing (collection, representation, annotation, processing) crowd-sourced
> data are promoted. There is a need to explore the linkages of citizen data
> to the GEOSS and its common infrastructure (GCI), identify activities
> necessary for scaling up (examples are GBIF contributions, Mosquito
> Alert-UN...), and investigate methods and tools to integrate
> citizens-generated data with authoritative ones. This should be done in
> coordination with other GEO initiatives such as GEOBON. In this meeting, we
> will know more about existing citizen science projects and observatories
> and will discuss evolving standards and best practices for citizen-observed
> data management and ways to integrate citizen-acquired with established
> data sources.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *LIVE STREAM:*
> *Watch the livestream event and submit your questions for the
> panelists here
> <https://southbigdatahub.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b1c2e11cb37fc242dfa8e178b&id=4430d20984&e=53c098953f>.*
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> *Tweet your questions to the panelists using hashtag **#GEOCitSci *Also
> follow the GEO Plenary with *#GEOWeek17*
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> For more information and archived video (when posted) click here
> <https://southbigdatahub.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b1c2e11cb37fc242dfa8e178b&id=640eb15e93&e=53c098953f>
> .
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> ------------------------------
>
> *AGENDA*
>
> 1:00 PM *Welcoming Remarks*
>
> 1:15 PM *Citizen Science Programs and Observatories: Lightning
> Talks*
>
> Moderator: Dr. Lea Shanley, South Hub
> Speakers:
>
> - Maria Krommyda, Institute of Communication and Computer Systems
> - Mikel Maron, Humanitarian Open Street Maps
> - Laetitia Navarro, GEO BON
> - Joan Masó, Center for Ecological Research and Forestry
> - Andreas Matheus, Secure Dimensions GmbH
>
> 2:15 PM
> *Tools, Best Practices, and Standards for Utilizing
> Citizen Science for GEOSS*
>
> Moderator: Krystal Wilson, Secure World Foundation
> Speakers:
>
> - Anne Bowser, Wilson Center
> - Dixon Butler, Youth Learning as Citizen Environmental Scientists
> - Max Craglia, Joint Research Center
> - Steffen Fritz, International Institute for Applied Science System
> Analysis
>
> 3:15 PM *Group Discussion: Prioritization of Citizen Science as GEO
> Activity*
>
> Moderator: Joan Masó, Center for Ecological Research and Forestry
>
> 5:00 PM *Closing Remarks and Next Steps*
>
> 5:30 Adjourn
>
> *Workshop Steering Committee:*
>
> - Joan Masó, Center for Ecological Research and Forestry (CREAF)
> - Krystal Wilson, Secure World Foundation (SWF)
> - Lea Shanley, South Big Data Innovation Hub, University of North
> Carolina at Chapel Hill
> - Anne Bowser, The Wilson Center
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lea
>
> Lea Shanley, PhD
> co-Executive Director, South Big Data Innovation Hub
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:34:04 +0200
> From: Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> To: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM3 and validation
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> After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like
> it! It is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
>
> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM
> today. I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't
> get any OSM Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but
> the "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In
> single tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
>
> And I am curious what is behind the random task selection for
> validation. It is really random or is there some algorithm behind which
> gives me users which
> - haven't been validated recently or
> - have been invalidated recently or
> - are beginners or
> - have finished the tile just minutes ago or
> - ...?
>
> I really was waiting for this button, because now validators can focus
> on validating without browsing for tiles. I think I will use this button
> a lot.
>
> Cheers,
> Florian
>
> Am 2017-10-21 um 22:27 schrieb john whelan:
>> I'm after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the way
>> they are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to correct.
>>
>> If I get a name that gives me one or more tiles. Which is the most
>> recent? If they are mapping in a group they may well have corrected
>> themselves or even by themselves they may have experimented then read
>> the documentation and corrected themselves.
>>
>> I've had mappers with three of four years experience who have
>> benefited from feedback. One was using highway=track rather than
>> highway=unclassified because he once put in name=unclassified in JOSM
>> got an error there after used highway=track. English even the US
>> variety wasn't their first language.
>>
>> You should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com
>> <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.
>>
>> That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got
>> feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know
>> they have probably never gotten feedback.
>>
>> Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most
>> recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing
>> essentially.
>>
>> regards
>> blake
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan
>> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Remember I'm basically lazy. I do two things when I validate.
>> The first is
>>> clean up the second is provide feedback.
>>>
>>> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response.
>> You get more
>>> tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality. This means
>> less clean
>>> up for me to do.
>>>
>>> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24
>> hours is
>>> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get
>> much lower
>>> responses.
>>>
>>> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am
>> I going to
>>> annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their
>> bad habits as
>>> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being
>> mentioned. So
>>> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes
>> longer for me
>>> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself.
>> Remember
>>> I'm lazy.
>>>
>>> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most
>> recently mapped
>>> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.
>>>
>>> Does that make it clearer? It's about problem avoidance or
>> prevention
>>> rather than verifying the mapping as such.
>>>
>>> The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll
>> take a quick
>>> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more
>> things.
>>>
>>> Thanks John
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM"
>> <blake.girardot at hotosm.org <mailto:blake.girardot at hotosm.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently
>>>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand.
>>>>
>>>> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3
>> months
>>>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last
>> mapped is
>>>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at
>> redoing
>>>> his analysis).
>>>>
>>>> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback
>>>> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the
>> newest
>>>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already
>> pretty crowded.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Blake
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan
>> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is
>> fine you know
>>>>> of
>>>>> course that people studying English like what it is spoke
>> years ago
>>>>> travel
>>>>> to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language
>> has been
>>>>> isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was
>> spoke when
>>>>> their families emigrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and
>> the tiles
>>>>> they
>>>>> mapped but that isn't what I'm after. I'm after the most
>> recently
>>>>> mapped
>>>>> tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give
>> feedback on.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed
>> below to give
>>>>> feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in
>> JOSM, its
>>>>> faster
>>>>> than typing it in as you were doing. Some mappers are
>> naughty and do
>>>>> not
>>>>> completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires
>> feedback even if
>>>>> someone else finishes it off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot
>> <bgirardot at gmail.com <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the
>>>>>> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is
>> really the
>>>>>> best place for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the
>> skill level
>>>>>> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed
>> by me, 7+
>>>>>> years in OSM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest
>>>>>> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got
>> one of
>>>>>> their tasks 5 mins ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I
>> use the
>>>>>> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if
>> you would
>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> blake
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan
>> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Typically when I validate I validate the most recently
>> mapped tiles
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> working on the principle that the faster feedback the more
>> likely it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone has already changed their habits telling them
>> that two
>>>>>>> villages
>>>>>>> two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a
>> primary highway
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> a minor road three months after they have mapped is a
>> waste of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't see how to do this in TM3. I need a link to the tile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> HOT mailing list
>>>>>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>>>> OSM Wiki -
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot>
>>>>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>> <https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot>
>>>>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>>>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel -
>> https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>> <https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> HOT mailing list
>>>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> HOT mailing list
>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Blake Girardot
>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot>
>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>> <https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot>
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel -
>> https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>> <https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> HOT mailing list
>> HOT at openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:51:46 +0200
> From: Michael Heißmeier <michael63 at digital-filestore.de>
> To: Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM3 and validation
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> Hi Florian,
>
> Florian Kratochwil, 2017-10-24 18:34:
>> After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like it! It
>> is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
>>
>> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM today. I
>> clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't get any OSM Data.
>> I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but the "OSM-Data"-Set was
>> empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In single tile validation I get
>> the OSM-Data.
>>
>>
> This is intentional. Imagine you select several tiles which are at different
> corners of the project area. As JOSM can only download within a rectangular area
> you would end up downloading all data within the whole project area which will
> probably not even work because of the huge amount of data.
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> /Michael
> (osm:michael63) /
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:01:13 -0400
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM3 and validation
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>> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM today.
> I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't get any OSM
> Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but the
> "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In single
> tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
>
> I use hovering over the start button to identify the tiles then validating
> the tiles individually.
>
> As Michael has commented trying to slippy map the area and download more
> than one tile is awkward and its easier to validate one tile at a time.
> Unfortunately when you download tiles they go to a new layer so you can't
> do checks across all the tiles at once.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 24 October 2017 at 12:34, Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> wrote:
>
>> After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like it!
>> It is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
>>
>> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM today.
>> I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't get any OSM
>> Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but the
>> "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In single
>> tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
>>
>> And I am curious what is behind the random task selection for validation.
>> It is really random or is there some algorithm behind which gives me users
>> which
>> - haven't been validated recently or
>> - have been invalidated recently or
>> - are beginners or
>> - have finished the tile just minutes ago or
>> - ...?
>>
>> I really was waiting for this button, because now validators can focus on
>> validating without browsing for tiles. I think I will use this button a lot.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Florian
>>
>>
>> Am 2017-10-21 um 22:27 schrieb john whelan:
>>
>> I'm after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the way they
>> are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to correct.
>>
>> If I get a name that gives me one or more tiles. Which is the most
>> recent? If they are mapping in a group they may well have corrected
>> themselves or even by themselves they may have experimented then read the
>> documentation and corrected themselves.
>>
>> I've had mappers with three of four years experience who have benefited
>> from feedback. One was using highway=track rather than
>> highway=unclassified because he once put in name=unclassified in JOSM got
>> an error there after used highway=track. English even the US variety
>> wasn't their first language.
>>
>> You should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.
>>>
>>> That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got
>>> feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know
>>> they have probably never gotten feedback.
>>>
>>> Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most
>>> recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing
>>> essentially.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> blake
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Remember I'm basically lazy. I do two things when I validate. The
>>> first is
>>>> clean up the second is provide feedback.
>>>>
>>>> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response. You get
>>> more
>>>> tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality. This means less
>>> clean
>>>> up for me to do.
>>>>
>>>> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24 hours
>>> is
>>>> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get much
>>> lower
>>>> responses.
>>>>
>>>> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am I
>>> going to
>>>> annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their bad
>>> habits as
>>>> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being mentioned.
>>> So
>>>> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes longer
>>> for me
>>>> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself.
>>> Remember
>>>> I'm lazy.
>>>>
>>>> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most recently
>>> mapped
>>>> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.
>>>>
>>>> Does that make it clearer? It's about problem avoidance or prevention
>>>> rather than verifying the mapping as such.
>>>>
>>>> The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll take a
>>> quick
>>>> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more things.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks John
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" <
>>> blake.girardot at hotosm.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently
>>>>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3 months
>>>>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last mapped is
>>>>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at redoing
>>>>> his analysis).
>>>>>
>>>>> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback
>>>>> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the newest
>>>>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already pretty
>>> crowded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Blake
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is fine you
>>> know
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> course that people studying English like what it is spoke years ago
>>>>>> travel
>>>>>> to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language has been
>>>>>> isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was spoke
>>> when
>>>>>> their families emigrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and the
>>> tiles
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> mapped but that isn't what I'm after. I'm after the most recently
>>>>>> mapped
>>>>>> tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give feedback
>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed below to
>>> give
>>>>>> feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in JOSM, its
>>>>>> faster
>>>>>> than typing it in as you were doing. Some mappers are naughty and do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires feedback
>>> even if
>>>>>> someone else finishes it off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the
>>>>>>> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is really
>>> the
>>>>>>> best place for them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the skill
>>> level
>>>>>>> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed by me, 7+
>>>>>>> years in OSM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest
>>>>>>> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got one of
>>>>>>> their tasks 5 mins ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I use the
>>>>>>> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if you would
>>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>> blake
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan <
>>> jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Typically when I validate I validate the most recently mapped
>>> tiles
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> working on the principle that the faster feedback the more likely
>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be effective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone has already changed their habits telling them that two
>>>>>>>> villages
>>>>>>>> two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a primary
>>> highway
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> a minor road three months after they have mapped is a waste of
>>> time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't see how to do this in TM3. I need a link to the tile.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>>>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>>>>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>>>>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>>>>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp
>>> .com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Blake Girardot
>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>>>
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> From: Richard Nairn <richard at nairnconsulting.ca>
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> Subject: [HOT] Map Size in new Task Manager
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> I like the new task manager, it gives more details about what is
> happening on the map. However my issue is the size of the map itself. I
> find in the old task manager the map itself was larger on the page. This
> gave me a chance to zoom in to the task box at a decent size so that I
> could estimate the complexity of the task.
>
> Would it be possible to bump up the size of the map display? By looking
> at the CSS it appears there is a max width for the page, and the map
> container is 50% of that.
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