[HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 92, Issue 15

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>   1. Livestream TODAY 1 PM US ET: HOT featured in The Role of
>      Citizen Science Observatories and Crowdsourcing Community in the
>      Global Earth Observation System of Systems (Lea Shanley)
>   2. Re: TM3 and validation (Florian Kratochwil)
>   3. Re: TM3 and validation (Michael Heißmeier)
>   4. Re: TM3 and validation (john whelan)
>   5. Map Size in new Task Manager (Richard Nairn)
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> 	of Citizen Science Observatories and Crowdsourcing Community in the
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> Mikel Maron will be giving a presentation on the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
> Team today!
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> 
> *The Role of Citizen Science Observatories and Crowdsourcing Community in
> the Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS)*
> 
> A Group on Earth Observations Plenary XIV Side Event
> *Tuesday, October 24, 2017 from 1:00 - 5:30 PM EST*
> 
> The growth of citizen science is a global phenomenon. In the United States,
> the scientific impacts of citizen science are recognized by 60 federal
> agencies and organizations, which coordinate and support hundreds of citizen
> science projects. In Europe, the European Commission continues to fund
> Citizen Observatories, beginning with the FP7 Programme and extending
> through active projects Ground Truth 2.0, LandSense, SCENT, and GROW.
> Similar initiatives are emerging in other parts of the world.
> 
> GEO can benefit from these initiatives if standards and best practices in
> managing (collection, representation, annotation, processing) crowd-sourced
> data are promoted. There is a need to explore the linkages of citizen data
> to the GEOSS and its common infrastructure (GCI), identify activities
> necessary for scaling up (examples are GBIF contributions, Mosquito
> Alert-UN...), and investigate methods and tools to integrate
> citizens-generated data with authoritative ones. This should be done in
> coordination with other GEO initiatives such as GEOBON. In this meeting, we
> will know more about existing citizen science projects and observatories
> and will discuss evolving standards and best practices for citizen-observed
> data management and ways to integrate citizen-acquired with established
> data sources.​
> 
> ------------------------------
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> *LIVE STREAM:*
> *Watch the livestream event and submit your questions for the
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> <https://southbigdatahub.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b1c2e11cb37fc242dfa8e178b&id=4430d20984&e=53c098953f>.*
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> *Tweet your questions to the panelists using hashtag **#GEOCitSci *Also
> follow the GEO Plenary with *#GEOWeek17*
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> For more information and archived video (when posted) click here
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> .
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> ------------------------------
> 
> *AGENDA*
> 
> 1:00 PM         *Welcoming Remarks*
> 
> 1:15 PM         *Citizen Science Programs and Observatories: Lightning
> Talks*
> 
> Moderator: Dr. Lea Shanley, South Hub
> Speakers:
> 
>   - Maria Krommyda, Institute of Communication and Computer Systems
>   - Mikel Maron, Humanitarian Open Street Maps
>   - Laetitia Navarro, GEO BON
>   - Joan Masó, Center for Ecological Research and Forestry
>   - Andreas Matheus, Secure Dimensions GmbH
> 
> 2:15 PM
> *Tools, Best Practices, and Standards for Utilizing
> Citizen Science for GEOSS*
> 
> Moderator: Krystal Wilson, Secure World Foundation
> Speakers:
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>   - Anne Bowser, Wilson Center
>   - Dixon Butler, Youth Learning as Citizen Environmental Scientists
>   - Max Craglia, Joint Research Center
>   - Steffen Fritz, International Institute for Applied Science System
>   Analysis
> 
> 3:15 PM         *Group Discussion: Prioritization of Citizen Science as GEO
> Activity*
> 
> Moderator: Joan Masó, Center for Ecological Research and Forestry
> 
> 5:00 PM         *Closing Remarks and Next Steps*
> 
> 5:30                Adjourn
> 
> *Workshop Steering Committee:*
> 
>   - Joan Masó, Center for Ecological Research and Forestry (CREAF)
>   - Krystal Wilson, Secure World Foundation (SWF)
>   - Lea Shanley, South Big Data Innovation Hub, University of North
>   Carolina at Chapel Hill
>   - Anne Bowser, The Wilson Center
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lea
> 
> Lea Shanley, PhD
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:34:04 +0200
> From: Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> To: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM3 and validation
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> After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like 
> it! It is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
> 
> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM 
> today. I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't 
> get any OSM Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but 
> the "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In 
> single tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
> 
> And I am curious what is behind the random task selection for 
> validation. It is really random or is there some algorithm behind which 
> gives me users which
>  - haven't been validated recently or
>  - have been invalidated recently or
>  - are beginners or
>  - have finished the tile just minutes ago or
>  - ...?
> 
> I really was waiting for this button, because now validators can focus 
> on validating without browsing for tiles. I think I will use this button 
> a lot.
> 
> Cheers,
> Florian
> 
> Am 2017-10-21 um 22:27 schrieb john whelan:
>> I'm after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the way 
>> they are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to correct.
>> 
>> If I get a name that gives me one or more tiles.  Which is the most 
>> recent?   If they are mapping in a group they may well have corrected 
>> themselves or even by themselves they may have experimented then read 
>> the documentation and corrected themselves.
>> 
>> I've had mappers with three of four years experience who have 
>> benefited from feedback.  One was using highway=track rather than 
>> highway=unclassified because he once put in name=unclassified in JOSM 
>> got an error there after used highway=track.  English even the US 
>> variety wasn't their first language.
>> 
>> You should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.
>> 
>> Cheerio John
>> 
>> On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.
>> 
>>    That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got
>>    feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know
>>    they have probably never gotten feedback.
>> 
>>    Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most
>>    recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing
>>    essentially.
>> 
>>    regards
>>    blake
>> 
>>    On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan
>>    <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Remember I'm basically lazy.  I do two things when I validate. 
>>    The first is
>>> clean up the second is provide feedback.
>>> 
>>> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response. 
>>    You get more
>>> tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality.  This means
>>    less clean
>>> up for me to do.
>>> 
>>> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24
>>    hours is
>>> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get
>>    much lower
>>> responses.
>>> 
>>> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am
>>    I going to
>>> annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their
>>    bad habits as
>>> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being
>>    mentioned.  So
>>> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes
>>    longer for me
>>> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself. 
>>    Remember
>>> I'm lazy.
>>> 
>>> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most
>>    recently mapped
>>> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.
>>> 
>>> Does that make it clearer?  It's about problem avoidance or
>>    prevention
>>> rather than verifying the mapping as such.
>>> 
>>> The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll
>>    take a quick
>>> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more
>>    things.
>>> 
>>> Thanks John
>>> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM"
>>    <blake.girardot at hotosm.org <mailto:blake.girardot at hotosm.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently
>>>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?
>>>> 
>>>> I do not understand.
>>>> 
>>>> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3
>>    months
>>>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last
>>    mapped is
>>>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at
>>    redoing
>>>> his analysis).
>>>> 
>>>> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback
>>>> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the
>>    newest
>>>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already
>>    pretty crowded.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Blake
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan
>>    <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is
>>    fine you know
>>>>> of
>>>>> course that people studying English like what it is spoke
>>    years ago
>>>>> travel
>>>>> to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language
>>    has been
>>>>> isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was
>>    spoke when
>>>>> their families emigrated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and
>>    the tiles
>>>>> they
>>>>> mapped but that isn't what I'm after.  I'm after the most
>>    recently
>>>>> mapped
>>>>> tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give
>>    feedback on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed
>>    below to give
>>>>> feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in
>>    JOSM, its
>>>>> faster
>>>>> than typing it in as you were doing.  Some mappers are
>>    naughty and do
>>>>> not
>>>>> completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires
>>    feedback even if
>>>>> someone else finishes it off.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot
>>    <bgirardot at gmail.com <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the
>>>>>> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is
>>    really the
>>>>>> best place for them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the
>>    skill level
>>>>>> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed
>>    by me, 7+
>>>>>> years in OSM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest
>>>>>> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got
>>    one of
>>>>>> their tasks 5 mins ago.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I
>>    use the
>>>>>> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if
>>    you would
>>>>>> please.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> blake
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan
>>    <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Typically when I validate I validate the most recently
>>    mapped tiles
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> working on the principle that the faster feedback the more
>>    likely it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be effective.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If someone has already changed their habits telling them
>>    that two
>>>>>>> villages
>>>>>>> two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a
>>    primary highway
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> a minor road three months after they have mapped is a
>>    waste of time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can't see how to do this in TM3.  I need a link to the tile.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> HOT mailing list
>>>>>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>    <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>>>> OSM Wiki -
>>    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot>
>>>>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>    <https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot>
>>>>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>>>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel -
>>    https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>>    <https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> HOT mailing list
>>>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>    <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> HOT mailing list
>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT at openstreetmap.org>
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>>    <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    --
>>    ----------------------------------------------------
>>    Blake Girardot
>>    OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot>
>>    HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>    <https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot>
>>    skype: jblakegirardot
>>    Live OSM Mapper-Support channel -
>>    https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>>    <https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:51:46 +0200
> From: Michael Heißmeier <michael63 at digital-filestore.de>
> To: Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> Cc: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM3 and validation
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> Hi Florian,
> 
> Florian Kratochwil, 2017-10-24 18:34:
>> After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like it! It 
>> is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
>> 
>> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM today. I 
>> clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't get any OSM Data. 
>> I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but the "OSM-Data"-Set was 
>> empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In single tile validation I get 
>> the OSM-Data.
>> 
>> 
> This is intentional. Imagine you select several tiles which are at different 
> corners of the project area. As JOSM can only download within a rectangular area 
> you would end up downloading all data within the whole project area which will 
> probably not even work because of the huge amount of data.
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> /Michael
> (osm:michael63) /
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:01:13 -0400
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM3 and validation
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM today.
> I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't get any OSM
> Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but the
> "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In single
> tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
> 
> I use hovering over the start button to identify the tiles then validating
> the tiles individually.
> 
> As Michael has commented trying to slippy map the area and download more
> than one tile is awkward and its easier to validate one tile at a time.
> Unfortunately when you download tiles they go to a new layer so you can't
> do checks across all the tiles at once.
> 
> Cheerio John
> 
> On 24 October 2017 at 12:34, Florian Kratochwil <florian at kratochwil.at>
> wrote:
> 
>> After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like it!
>> It is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
>> 
>> I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM today.
>> I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't get any OSM
>> Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but the
>> "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In single
>> tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
>> 
>> And I am curious what is behind the random task selection for validation.
>> It is really random or is there some algorithm behind which gives me users
>> which
>> - haven't been validated recently or
>> - have been invalidated recently or
>> - are beginners or
>> - have finished the tile just minutes ago or
>> - ...?
>> 
>> I really was waiting for this button, because now validators can focus on
>> validating without browsing for tiles. I think I will use this button a lot.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Florian
>> 
>> 
>> Am 2017-10-21 um 22:27 schrieb john whelan:
>> 
>> I'm after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the way they
>> are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to correct.
>> 
>> If I get a name that gives me one or more tiles.  Which is the most
>> recent?   If they are mapping in a group they may well have corrected
>> themselves or even by themselves they may have experimented then read the
>> documentation and corrected themselves.
>> 
>> I've had mappers with three of four years experience who have benefited
>> from feedback.  One was using highway=track rather than
>> highway=unclassified because he once put in name=unclassified in JOSM got
>> an error there after used highway=track.  English even the US variety
>> wasn't their first language.
>> 
>> You should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.
>> 
>> Cheerio John
>> 
>> On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.
>>> 
>>> That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got
>>> feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know
>>> they have probably never gotten feedback.
>>> 
>>> Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most
>>> recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing
>>> essentially.
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> blake
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Remember I'm basically lazy.  I do two things when I validate.  The
>>> first is
>>>> clean up the second is provide feedback.
>>>> 
>>>> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response.  You get
>>> more
>>>> tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality.  This means less
>>> clean
>>>> up for me to do.
>>>> 
>>>> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24 hours
>>> is
>>>> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get much
>>> lower
>>>> responses.
>>>> 
>>>> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am I
>>> going to
>>>> annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their bad
>>> habits as
>>>> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being mentioned.
>>> So
>>>> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes longer
>>> for me
>>>> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself.
>>> Remember
>>>> I'm lazy.
>>>> 
>>>> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most recently
>>> mapped
>>>> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.
>>>> 
>>>> Does that make it clearer?  It's about problem avoidance or prevention
>>>> rather than verifying the mapping as such.
>>>> 
>>>> The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll take a
>>> quick
>>>> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more things.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks John
>>>> 
>>>> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" <
>>> blake.girardot at hotosm.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently
>>>>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not understand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3 months
>>>>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last mapped is
>>>>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at redoing
>>>>> his analysis).
>>>>> 
>>>>> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback
>>>>> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the newest
>>>>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already pretty
>>> crowded.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Blake
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is fine you
>>> know
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> course that people studying English like what it is spoke years ago
>>>>>> travel
>>>>>> to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language has been
>>>>>> isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was spoke
>>> when
>>>>>> their families emigrated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and the
>>> tiles
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> mapped but that isn't what I'm after.  I'm after the most recently
>>>>>> mapped
>>>>>> tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give feedback
>>> on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed below to
>>> give
>>>>>> feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in JOSM, its
>>>>>> faster
>>>>>> than typing it in as you were doing.  Some mappers are naughty and do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires feedback
>>> even if
>>>>>> someone else finishes it off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the
>>>>>>> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is really
>>> the
>>>>>>> best place for them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the skill
>>> level
>>>>>>> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed by me, 7+
>>>>>>> years in OSM.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest
>>>>>>> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got one of
>>>>>>> their tasks 5 mins ago.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I use the
>>>>>>> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if you would
>>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>> blake
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan <
>>> jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Typically when I validate I validate the most recently mapped
>>> tiles
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> working on the principle that the faster feedback the more likely
>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be effective.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If someone has already changed their habits telling them that two
>>>>>>>> villages
>>>>>>>> two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a primary
>>> highway
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> a minor road three months after they have mapped is a waste of
>>> time.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can't see how to do this in TM3.  I need a link to the tile.
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>>>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>>>>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>>>>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>>>>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp
>>> .com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Blake Girardot
>>>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Blake Girardot
>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>>> 
>> 
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> From: Richard Nairn <richard at nairnconsulting.ca>
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> I like the new task manager, it gives more details about what is 
> happening on the map. However my issue is the size of the map itself. I 
> find in the old task manager the map itself was larger on the page. This 
> gave me a chance to zoom in to the task box at a decent size so that I 
> could estimate the complexity of the task.
> 
> Would it be possible to bump up the size of the map display? By looking 
> at the CSS it appears there is a max width for the page, and the map 
> container is 50% of that.
> 
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