[HOT] sharing experiences: OSM mapping in 4 countries

[john whelan]

There is so much satilitte imagery around that any potential foe could run
up their own map very quickly.

It's a bit like the GPS data signal.  Yes the US used to degrade it but
found the economic advantages were much better with an undegraded signal.

It's probably about control more than anything else.

Note to Colleen I'll be at the stat can presentation on Friday at 8 am but
I won't be at the HOT summit.

Cheerio John

On 12 Sep 2017 6:45 pm, "Colleen Curran" <colleen0curran at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess the two words do look quite similar.
>
> The main concern regarding the security issue with the Government of
> Armenia was 1) that restricted military bases and infrastructure can be
> mapped on OSM, 2) people could tamper with data on OSM and 3) that building
> attributes uploaded to OSM via field mapping would be used against them in
> a time of war.
>
> The example they gave, was for basement = yes.  Their argument was that
> this information could be used against them during war as it would reveal
> that there are basements for people to be hiding in.
>
> Some context- Armenia has a closed border with two of its 4 neighbouring
> countries, Turkey and Azerbaijan, the latter of which it is still
> technically at war with.
>
> The resistance of some local and national governments to use OSM data in
> lieu of having no cadastre data at all perplexes me - so I have recently
> taken up a research masters to study this.  If any of you would like to
> discuss further I would be happy to at the Summit this week.
>
> Best,
> Colleen
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:43 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ta for the correction, I wonder how many others misread it.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 12 September 2017 at 08:42, Ralf Stephan <gtrwst9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Armenian not American John
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:24 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >the Armenian government is worried that OSM will affect national
>>>> security, doesn’t fully trust crowd-sourced data
>>>>
>>>> I think the statement is too broad.  There are certainly parts of the
>>>> US government that is very comfortable with OSM, I seem to recall one US
>>>> government website that points people towards it and HOT and asks people to
>>>> add to the map.
>>>>
>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>
>>>> On 12 September 2017 at 01:08, Emir Hartato <emir.hartato at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Colleen,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the sharing your experiences! about this part:
>>>>>
>>>>> the Armenian government is worried that OSM will affect national
>>>>>> security, doesn’t fully trust crowd-sourced data
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know what is the context of "trust" according to your findings?
>>>>> Is it simply about accuracy or there's something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Emir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 September 2017 at 07:20, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very cool Colleen and really valuable write up and lessons learned.
>>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to share it with us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Colleen Curran
>>>>>> <colleen0curran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Dear HOT Community,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I know this is a busy time for activations but I would like to
>>>>>> quickly let
>>>>>> > you know that I have written a blog post about the results of an
>>>>>> Asian
>>>>>> > Development Bank project which heavily used OSM in a 4 country
>>>>>> resiliency
>>>>>> > project.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > You can find it at this link:
>>>>>> > https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-08-23_sharing_experience
>>>>>> s_osm_mapping_in_four_countries_armenia_bangladesh_fiji_and_the
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > A huge thanks to those of you that helped us during our
>>>>>> implementation and
>>>>>> > to Rebecca Firth who assisted in submitting the blog.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>> > Colleen
>>>>>> >
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