[HOT] leisure=common replacement for urban public areas in Africa]

Vao Matua vaomatua at gmail.com
Tue Mar 5 20:39:56 UTC 2019

I'm not quite sure why landuse=village_green doesn't meet this need. There
are plenty of examples of British word usage in OSM are not the same as the
original vernacular.
Often in Africa an open area can be quite green in the rainy season and
brown in the dry season.
I'm not opposed to this proposal, but just don't understand the added value.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:24 PM Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com> wrote:

> This has been discussed before.  I have also created a great many of these
> and agree a better tag could be used but we never found one to switch to.
> I would accept anything the community comes up with as long as it renders
> or the rendering rules are updated before the change.  We don't map for the
> renderer, but these are important features that people depend on being
> visible.  Aside from that, I am fine with switching tags.
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 9:17 AM Jean-Marc Liotier <jm at liotier.org> wrote:
>> Not much interest from talk-africa at openstreetmap.org - maybe
>> hot at openstreetmap.org's larger audience will weight in ?
>> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
>> Subject: [Talk-africa] leisure=common replacement for urban public areas
>> in Africa
>> Date:    Tue, March 5, 2019 10:40 am
>> To:      talk-africa at openstreetmap.org
>>          tagging at openstreetmap.org
>> The openstreetmap-carto rendering of leisure=common was recently dropped
>> (
>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/commit/4df96c4e4927c3e029b31e34c0cf1be2dda6f637
>> ).
>> In Mali and Senegal, I had found leisure=common to be an expedient way to
>> describe explicitly designed publicly accessible undeveloped
>> municipality-owned open dirt areas in cities, public squares in the barest
>> sense, used for gatherings, impromptu soccer games and more generally as
>> breathing space in a dense urban fabric: it is dedicated to leisure and it
>> is a common area...
>> But it did stray a bit from the original British vernacular meaning, which
>> was akin to landuse=village_green in that the commons are normally grass
>> covered. So I usually combined leisure=common with surface=ground or
>> surface=sand to express the African reality... But still - this bends the
>> concept quite far out of its original shape.
>> So, though we do not map for the renderer, maybe this is a good time to
>> find a better tag to map that feature.
>> My candidate is
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Drecreation_ground - and
>> now that I think about it, I wonder why I didn't use it to begin with.
>> As I'm the author of a good many leisure=common in Mali and Senegal, my
>> near-term goal about them is to replace occurrences of leisure=common with
>> the better term but only in Mali and Senegal.
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