[HOT] Experiences from the diversity-talk@ list | Re: Mailing List Code of Conduct

Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org
Thu Oct 1 11:37:11 UTC 2020

Hi all,

When I took over moderating the diversity talk mailing list¹ in February 2018², I did a request for comment³, and settled on the same one from Geek Feminism⁴, you can see it https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct . The list is quite low traffic, and since then there hasn't been any issues or reports.

You'll see references to the "Etiquette Guidelines", which is a long existing, and "CoC" type thing for OSM mailing lists. But it's rubbish, with rubbish rules. "Being sexist is OK, but calling out sexism isn't OK" and bad rules like that. 

As I get older, I've become more unsatisfied with regular email mailing lists like this. Among many features they lack, is the ability to remove messages, which is important for moderation. But that can't be changed unless we go back to Usenet/NNTP or something.

I don't believe OSMF or OSMF Board approval is needed for the moderators of this list to adopt new moderation rules (e.g. a CoC). Remember, the OSMF supports, but does not control, the OSM project, of which HOT is a part. How a list is moderated is a decision for those mailing list admins, moderators and users.

Hope that helps,


[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/diversity-talk/2018-February/000278.html
[3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/diversity-talk/2018-February/000283.html
[4] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/diversity-talk/2018-March/000306.html

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, at 4:43 PM, Can Unen wrote:
> Hello everybody, I'm writing to carry a conversation in HOTOSM 
> membership lists to here, hoping to kick-off a discussion and maybe 
> reach a consensus. 
> A couple of days ago Mikel had asked about the governing code of 
> conduct for this mailing list, and the initial thought was to assume 
> the HOT CoC <https://www.hotosm.org/code-of-conduct> should be it. But 
> the thing is, this list is operated and maintained by OSMF, and the 
> Community CoC Draft 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Code_of_Conduct_(Draft)> 
> and OSMF Communication Guidelines 
> <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OSMF_Communication_Guidelines> 
> seem to cover the mailing list as well, but they seem to be outdated, 
> and unmaintained for some time. 
> Do you think a CoC need to be adopted in the mailing list, and how? 
> In such case, would a consensus in the list be sufficient for this, or 
> should there be a decision from the OSMF board? 
> Thanks a lot in advance for the feedback. 
> Best
> Can
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