[HOT] Mailing List Code of Conduct

Courtney Clark courtneyclark8 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 22 13:02:15 UTC 2020


Thanks, Can, and others for keeping this important conversation going. I am
no CoC expert, but I'm inclined to support adopting HOT's CoC for this
mailing list, since everyone on this list has already agreed to follow it
by being involved with HOT.

I did notice in other CoC's that complaints are handled by the mailing list
moderators. The complaint handling process for HOT's CoC has its own
complaint handling process that can include various Working Groups and HOT
staff. Would it be important to amend the CoC as it applies to this list to
specifically state that complaints will be dealt with by the moderators?
And if so, I'd love to have a better understanding of who moderates the
list with Blake, if anyone, as we may need to have several others sign up
as moderators so that complaints can be handled by a diverse group with
multiple perspectives.

Thanks,

Courtney

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:22 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hola,
>
> Sorry, to be clear:
>
> "Others have forged beyond that and done so anyway, imposed their own CoC,
> or think they have done so, and just never been challenged on it. "
>
> I mean other OSM list moderators, on other lists, like the diversity list,
> have their own CoC, or think they do, just because no one has raised an
> issue about it to challenge it. I am on the diversity list, I agree with
> the CoC there, but I do not for a moment think the OSMF would support
> enforcing it if someone objected.
>
> However, the OSMF Email guidelines... those seem to be the only "official"
> OSMF "CoC"
>
> Best wishes,
> blake
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:09 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi again Friends,
>>
>> I see, if the question is can we HOT have our own CoC for this list?
>>
>> Years ago the consensus was not really as this email list is maintained
>> and hosted by the OSMF on their resources.
>>
>> Others have forged beyond that and done so anyway, imposed their own CoC,
>> or think they have done so, and just never been challenged on it.
>>
>> We did not do that here. Here we stuck to OSMF Email guidelines that were
>> for some other issues, but existed at least.
>>
>> Our need for more CoC has not really come up since that time, but I am
>> all for it.
>>
>> The other solution was HOT starts its own list and this list get renamed
>> and continues on as 'humanitarian_mapping at osm.org' and this list goes
>> off, with its own CoC, as a list @hotosm.org
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> blake
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:01 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>> I have been the main moderator on the HOT list for the past 5 or 6 years.
>>>
>>> I collaborate with Mikel, but have not really needed to for the past 3
>>> years or so.
>>>
>>> Is there an issue I am not aware of?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 6:26 AM Can Unen <can.unen at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot for explaining the background of this discussion Clifford
>>>> and Mikel.
>>>>
>>>> There are five talk lists from the US and four topic-specific lists
>>>> that have adopted a CoC according to the mailing lists wiki [1]. Eight of
>>>> them have accepted the US Chapter's CoC [2], while the diversity mailing
>>>> list has a different CoC specified [3]. My personal view is to accept HOT's
>>>> CoC [4] within this list as well, since it is widely adopted in al
>>>> communication channels of HOT apart from here.
>>>>
>>>> I support Mikel's suggestion of a discussion within the mailing list to
>>>> decide if a CoC should be adopted in this mailing list; and if so, what
>>>> should be the governing text.
>>>>
>>>> I will follow up with a poll for the mailing list in the coming days
>>>> for these discussions unless there are objections to me doing so.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Can
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Code_of_Conduct_Committee/OSM_US_Code_of_Conduct
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct
>>>> [4] https://www.hotosm.org/code-of-conduct
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:06 AM Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > A couple of days ago Mikel
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually Clifford asked me because I'm the inactive moderator of this
>>>>> mailing list, and I passed it on for discussion within the HOT membership.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I don't think request for Board to approve is appropriate at
>>>>> this time. However, the discussion here could be useful for a larger
>>>>> discussion about communications and trust and safety within OSM.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Mikel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 12:22:35 PM EDT, Clifford Snow <
>>>>> clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:45 AM Can Unen <can.unen at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>>>> > Hello everybody, I'm writing to carry a conversation in HOTOSM
>>>>> membership lists to here, hoping to kick-off a discussion and maybe reach a
>>>>> consensus.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A couple of days ago Mikel had asked about the governing code of
>>>>> conduct for this mailing list, and the initial thought was to assume the
>>>>> HOT CoC should be it. But the thing is, this list is operated and
>>>>> maintained by OSMF, and the Community CoC Draft and OSMF Communication
>>>>> Guidelines seem to cover the mailing list as well, but they seem to be
>>>>> outdated, and unmaintained for some time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Do you think a CoC need to be adopted in the mailing list, and how?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In such case, would a consensus in the list be sufficient for this,
>>>>> or should there be a decision from the OSMF board?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can,
>>>>> I'm on the US Chapter's CoC committee. The Chapter formally adopted a
>>>>> CoC this year. US centric mailing list moderators were invited to opt in to
>>>>> having their lists covered by the CoC. If you look at wiki [1] you can see
>>>>> which lists are covered by a CoC with a link back to the CoC.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would encourage HOT to do something similar. It does not need
>>>>> approval from OSMF. Especially since OSMF only has etiquette guidelines
>>>>> with no means to handle complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Clifford
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Blake Girardot
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>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Blake Girardot
>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------
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