[HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 128, Issue 12

arnalie faye vicario afsvicario at gmail.com
Wed Oct 28 04:47:59 UTC 2020


Kumusta/Hi everyone,

Appreciate everyone's help and opinions to keep the conversation going.

I support adopting the current HOT CoC. But which HOT CoC should we adopt?
There are two (2) CoCs available as of writing: One that the membership
created in 2014 [1], and the other one that the board created in 2017 [2]
(which is what is posted on the website).

I would also like to share that I personally think that CoC is necessary in
all communication channels/forms. CoC can make the channel
subscribers/members feel safer and more open (eg to express opinion without
intimidation and/or abuse).

thanks and regards.
=Arnalie

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/2f/HOT_Membership_Code--proposal_for_annual_meeting_2014.pdf
[2] https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-10-30_code_of_conduct


On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM <hot-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

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> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:02:15 -0400
> From: Courtney Clark <courtneyclark8 at gmail.com>
> To: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> Cc: Can Unen <can.unen at hotosm.org>, hot <hot at openstreetmap.org>,
>         Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mailing List Code of Conduct
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> Thanks, Can, and others for keeping this important conversation going. I am
> no CoC expert, but I'm inclined to support adopting HOT's CoC for this
> mailing list, since everyone on this list has already agreed to follow it
> by being involved with HOT.
>
> I did notice in other CoC's that complaints are handled by the mailing list
> moderators. The complaint handling process for HOT's CoC has its own
> complaint handling process that can include various Working Groups and HOT
> staff. Would it be important to amend the CoC as it applies to this list to
> specifically state that complaints will be dealt with by the moderators?
> And if so, I'd love to have a better understanding of who moderates the
> list with Blake, if anyone, as we may need to have several others sign up
> as moderators so that complaints can be handled by a diverse group with
> multiple perspectives.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Courtney
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:22 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hola,
> >
> > Sorry, to be clear:
> >
> > "Others have forged beyond that and done so anyway, imposed their own
> CoC,
> > or think they have done so, and just never been challenged on it. "
> >
> > I mean other OSM list moderators, on other lists, like the diversity
> list,
> > have their own CoC, or think they do, just because no one has raised an
> > issue about it to challenge it. I am on the diversity list, I agree with
> > the CoC there, but I do not for a moment think the OSMF would support
> > enforcing it if someone objected.
> >
> > However, the OSMF Email guidelines... those seem to be the only
> "official"
> > OSMF "CoC"
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > blake
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:09 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi again Friends,
> >>
> >> I see, if the question is can we HOT have our own CoC for this list?
> >>
> >> Years ago the consensus was not really as this email list is maintained
> >> and hosted by the OSMF on their resources.
> >>
> >> Others have forged beyond that and done so anyway, imposed their own
> CoC,
> >> or think they have done so, and just never been challenged on it.
> >>
> >> We did not do that here. Here we stuck to OSMF Email guidelines that
> were
> >> for some other issues, but existed at least.
> >>
> >> Our need for more CoC has not really come up since that time, but I am
> >> all for it.
> >>
> >> The other solution was HOT starts its own list and this list get renamed
> >> and continues on as 'humanitarian_mapping at osm.org' and this list goes
> >> off, with its own CoC, as a list @hotosm.org
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> blake
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:01 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Friends,
> >>>
> >>> I have been the main moderator on the HOT list for the past 5 or 6
> years.
> >>>
> >>> I collaborate with Mikel, but have not really needed to for the past 3
> >>> years or so.
> >>>
> >>> Is there an issue I am not aware of?
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>> Blake
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 6:26 AM Can Unen <can.unen at hotosm.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot for explaining the background of this discussion Clifford
> >>>> and Mikel.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are five talk lists from the US and four topic-specific lists
> >>>> that have adopted a CoC according to the mailing lists wiki [1].
> Eight of
> >>>> them have accepted the US Chapter's CoC [2], while the diversity
> mailing
> >>>> list has a different CoC specified [3]. My personal view is to accept
> HOT's
> >>>> CoC [4] within this list as well, since it is widely adopted in al
> >>>> communication channels of HOT apart from here.
> >>>>
> >>>> I support Mikel's suggestion of a discussion within the mailing list
> to
> >>>> decide if a CoC should be adopted in this mailing list; and if so,
> what
> >>>> should be the governing text.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will follow up with a poll for the mailing list in the coming days
> >>>> for these discussions unless there are objections to me doing so.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >>>>
> >>>> Can
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
> >>>> [2]
> >>>>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Code_of_Conduct_Committee/OSM_US_Code_of_Conduct
> >>>> [3]
> >>>>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct
> >>>> [4] https://www.hotosm.org/code-of-conduct
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:06 AM Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> > A couple of days ago Mikel
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually Clifford asked me because I'm the inactive moderator of this
> >>>>> mailing list, and I passed it on for discussion within the HOT
> membership.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yes, I don't think request for Board to approve is appropriate at
> >>>>> this time. However, the discussion here could be useful for a larger
> >>>>> discussion about communications and trust and safety within OSM.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Mikel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 12:22:35 PM EDT, Clifford Snow <
> >>>>> clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:45 AM Can Unen <can.unen at hotosm.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>> > Hello everybody, I'm writing to carry a conversation in HOTOSM
> >>>>> membership lists to here, hoping to kick-off a discussion and maybe
> reach a
> >>>>> consensus.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > A couple of days ago Mikel had asked about the governing code of
> >>>>> conduct for this mailing list, and the initial thought was to assume
> the
> >>>>> HOT CoC should be it. But the thing is, this list is operated and
> >>>>> maintained by OSMF, and the Community CoC Draft and OSMF
> Communication
> >>>>> Guidelines seem to cover the mailing list as well, but they seem to
> be
> >>>>> outdated, and unmaintained for some time.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Do you think a CoC need to be adopted in the mailing list, and how?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > In such case, would a consensus in the list be sufficient for this,
> >>>>> or should there be a decision from the OSMF board?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can,
> >>>>> I'm on the US Chapter's CoC committee. The Chapter formally adopted a
> >>>>> CoC this year. US centric mailing list moderators were invited to
> opt in to
> >>>>> having their lists covered by the CoC. If you look at wiki [1] you
> can see
> >>>>> which lists are covered by a CoC with a link back to the CoC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would encourage HOT to do something similar. It does not need
> >>>>> approval from OSMF. Especially since OSMF only has etiquette
> guidelines
> >>>>> with no means to handle complaints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Clifford
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> @osm_washington
> >>>>> www.snowandsnow.us
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *H. Can √únen, Ph.D.*
> >>>> Project Manager @Istanbul, TR
> >>>> Email: can.unen at hotosm.org
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> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>> Blake Girardot
> >>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
> >>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
> >>> skype: jblakegirardot
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> Blake Girardot
> >> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
> >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
> >> skype: jblakegirardot
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Blake Girardot
> > OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
> > HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
> > skype: jblakegirardot
> > _______________________________________________
> > HOT mailing list
> > HOT at openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Courtney Clark, MBA
>
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>
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