<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>I think that through the last version of the HDM preset we (HOT) are firming up what Sev called rightly a HDDM (Humanitarian and Development Data Model) which serves the purposes of a HOT Operations Preset where both humanitarian needs and development needs in Developing Countries or Least Developed Countries are addressed through the OSM tagging way by remaining now within the tagging logic at work in OSM and by adding/creating hum/dev tags when not existing or not satisfactory in OSM.<div style>
<br></div><div style>I think that Sev's HDDM is a good name for this overall initiative which associate schema, preset, forms and thanks to Yohan's neat work symbology that will show in JOSM, web (CartoCSS) and possibly on other mapping support (Garmin, OsmAND...).</div>
<div><br><div><br></div><div style>The HDM is therefore a subset of this overall HDDM and I agree that on a some aspects of the humanitarian work, it needs a review and that camp mapping is one of those areas of worthy future work.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>In parallel, the next future release of the enhancement of the HOT Export tool by GeoFabrik which allow to transform osm tags into attributes/ values of classic GIS schemas calls for tackling as well the building of crosswalks between humanitarian models by sector of activity and OSM that will be used to create HOT export jobs. </div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Brian Wolford <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:worldwidewolford@gmail.com" target="_blank">worldwidewolford@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Speaking of the preset:<div>Yes, I agree this isn't truly HDM anymore. It is not just the extra things used to tag disaster and humanitarian response things. The preset is being used to coordinate large training and mapping field operations in development work. I would be for changing the name of it, perhaps to some thing like "HOT Field Operations Preset"</div>
<div><br></div><div>I agree that the current "HDM" (not for long) preset does have allot of duplicated work in it. This is bc when coordinating a large project with people who may be using computers for the first time, you really do need a centralized resource for all these things. Saying to "use default for these things, add the office preset, add the craft preset, add the New Wiki Tags preset, use our personal preset for [cyber-cafe, wholesale, lottery kiosks, ect], and use the HDM preset !NOT THE DEFAULT! for roads, toilets, and waterpoints" doesn't work (at least here). We've tried. Having things in a not centralized location while training so many beginners over large area leads impossible quality control.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The project preset also allows us to make immediate additions or corrections to the preset and change troublesome translations immediately.</div><div>So yes, I think that this preset is in sense more of a "project" preset and the name should be change. And that this preset should be a good reference for dev world and re-evaluated with each project (HOT or otherwise).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I also think "pure" HDM should be diven into again. I would like to look at refugee camp tagging again specifically.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Kate Chapman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com" target="_blank">kate@maploser.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi All,<br>
<br>
I think it is important to separate the "HDM" from the specific<br>
rendering being done. Meaning that really the rendering being produced<br>
is intended to show all the things being mapped as part of the project<br>
in Haiti at the moment. Though it may be useful in other places (this<br>
is very likely).<br>
<br>
The actual model where data is being collected I think is different.<br>
That I think we should probably specify separately in our<br>
documentation. Otherwise if we include "everything" then really we are<br>
just adding to the general OSM tagging scheme.<br>
<br>
Anyway, maybe this distinction is clear to everyone else and we are<br>
already down that path.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
-Kate<br>
<div><div><br>
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Severin MENARD<br>
<<a href="mailto:severin.menard@gmail.com" target="_blank">severin.menard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Eric,<br>
><br>
> Some comments inline below.<br>
><br>
>><br>
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>> Message: 1<br>
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:53:16 +0200<br>
>> From: Eric SIBERT <<a href="mailto:courrier@eric.sibert.fr" target="_blank">courrier@eric.sibert.fr</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] HOT/HDM web rendering<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:51C60EBC.506@eric.sibert.fr" target="_blank">51C60EBC.506@eric.sibert.fr</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> > It's time to introduce the work being done on a humanitarian (HDM)<br>
>> > specific rendering.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > TL;DR: <a href="http://umap.fluv.io/en/map/hdm-first-draft_728" target="_blank">http://umap.fluv.io/en/map/hdm-first-draft_728</a><br>
>><br>
>> It is a pleasure to discover this work.<br>
>><br>
>> So, i decided to have a close look at the HDM. And also compare to the<br>
>> MDM (my Madagascar Data Model :-p ) that I just updated:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_Madagascar#.C3.89l.C3.A9ments_courants.2C_sp.C3.A9cifiques_ou_utiles_.C3.A0_Madagascar" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_Madagascar#.C3.89l.C3.A9ments_courants.2C_sp.C3.A9cifiques_ou_utiles_.C3.A0_Madagascar</a><br>
>><br>
>> I'm a little bit surprise by the large number of elements in the HDM. I<br>
>> was expecting it to focus on specific aspects of humanitarian.<br>
>> golf_course? motorcycle parking? pub, biergarten, brothel... More<br>
>> generally, with JOSM presets, I don't understand the need to duplicate<br>
>> objects that already exists in default presets.<br>
><br>
> Indeed, it is quite detailed and could called HDDM for Humanitarian and<br>
> Development Data Model. For Development purposes, JOSM defaut presets are<br>
> just quite limited. There are many activities existing in the Developing<br>
> Countries that are absent in these presets, and other tags (eg office=*)<br>
> scarcely present.<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Concerning the roads:<br>
>> - for smoothness, you define it as other or under 40 km/h. It's not in<br>
>> accordance with wiki which is talking about the kind of vehicle that may<br>
>> use the road.<br>
>> - but you also added practicability:*=. There was already attempts to<br>
>> define smoothness or whatever for different type of vehicle. Maybe, we<br>
>> have to try again.<br>
><br>
><br>
> OSM wiki has his logic here we are dealing with hunanitarian field and this<br>
> speed limit is a feature used among logistics hum org (especially WFP) for<br>
> years so it makes sense to include it. We can add a paragraph explaining<br>
> this in the OSM wiki.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> In Madagascar, for path (or damaged road), they also use wheelbarrows to<br>
>> carry goods. I don't know how to indicate it. practicability:wheelbarrow=?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Why not to add it on a pure OSM perspective. i might be wrong but I think<br>
> humanitarian responders using wheelbarrow for deliveries are not very<br>
> numerous.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> - one can also conditional restrictions:<br>
>> smoothness=horrible<br>
>> smoothness:conditional=very_horrible @ Dec-Apr<br>
> Tipically the things we tried to avoid as this interpretation can highly<br>
> vary between people.surveying.<br>
>> i.e. 4wd from May to November and "charrette ? z?bu" from December to<br>
>> April.<br>
>> - I'm also using seasonal=yes(/no) in conjunction with<br>
>> access:conditional=no @ Dec-Apr for instance to indicate that the road<br>
>> is seasonal and that it is usually closed from December to April. I<br>
>> would appreciate to see at least the seasonal aspect on rendering (color<br>
>> is already used for surface, shape for smoothness...).<br>
><br>
><br>
> I let this to Yohan but as he said the more we have info on a object the<br>
> more it creates noise<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> For river crossing, I'm using two cases.<br>
>> - if the road is usually flooded: ford=yes<br>
>> - if the road is usually dry: flood_prone=yes<br>
>> Indicating the surface is also important. After a cyclone, it should be<br>
>> easier to cross a river if the corresponding part of the road is made of<br>
>> concrete instead of ground.<br>
>> It is interesting to see river crossing in render even more important<br>
>> than bridges. By a quick look at the map, you may answer questions like:<br>
>> how many rivers to cross?<br>
> Good point, and not complicated to render.<br>
>><br>
>> Where is dispensary?<br>
>> Also, in the "Proposed features/Healthcare 2.0", it is not easy to see<br>
>> the limit between health_facility:type dispensary and health_centre.<br>
><br>
><br>
> This project seems to have been made by Fabi2, did not know it yet. Might be<br>
> interesting to try to merge.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Eric<br>
><br>
><br>
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