<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Is there an established workflow for adding new recommendations on those wiki pages? </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>> </span><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11.818181991577148px;">Also the</span><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11.818181991577148px;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mali_Highway_tag" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
11.818181991577148px; color: rgb(40, 98, 197); outline: 0px;">Mali Highway page</a><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11.818181991577148px;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11.818181991577148px;">should be renamed to the name of its page: Highway Tag Africa, or similar.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Nope, it's a wiki, just do it!</div><div><br></div><div>Looks like there's already a redirect from Mali Highway to Highway Tag Africa, so I think we're set for now. We can expand to other regions, rename the page, after more discussion in those areas.</div><div><br></div><div>I created this page to bring together all the developing country tagging issues and approaches.</div><div><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Developing_Country_Infrastructure">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Developing_Country_Infrastructure</a><br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On your questions:</div><div><br></div><div>> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">How to tag a fence of dry bushes laid on the ground to protect from animals? Particularly in northern Kenya it's common to fence the enclosure where animals stay at night, as well as the </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> entire enclosure for a family/families, that way. Hedge refers more to planted living bushes. Perhaps barrier=dry_bushes?</span></div><div><br></div><div>Yea, or maybe just barrier=dry_bush. Would be added to the "Linear Barriers" section.</div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Barrier">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Barrier</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:
12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> I'd also suggest to add the intermittent tag to the HOT presets for rivers and streams. Virtually all rivers and streams in northern Kenya are intermittent. Possibly combine the preset with the </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> seasonal tag.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Makes sense, looks like there are a couple approaches in use.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal</a><br></span></div><div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Or if you really want to get detailed, conditional restrictions on access</div><div><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>For making a change in the HOT presets, fork the github repo, make the change we think works best, and make the pull request. Should be able to do all of that from within your web browser, let me know if I can help.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/hotosm/presets">https://github.com/hotosm/presets</a></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> Lastly I'd suggest a consensus on when to use highway=track or highway=residential within villages. In small villages where the "road" is more of a track, only suitable for 4WD's, then it </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> feels more logical using track even within residential areas. It makes it stand out from "real roads".</span></div><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I agree, highway=residential denotes something different. But then, how to differentiate highway=track, which might connect a great distance, between something within a village? Or do we even need to differentiate these two?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span>-Mikel</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div></div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Daniel Westergren <westis@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mikel Maron <mikel_maron@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr>;
"HOT@openstreetmap.org" <HOT@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:02 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [HOT] Kenyan or African OSM community?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9658172008"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="yiv9658172008gmail_extra"><div class="yiv9658172008gmail_quote">2013/8/23 Mikel Maron <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="yiv9658172008gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;"><div class="yiv9658172008im"><div><span>> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;">I think it would be great with a tagging page for Africa or even more generally for "subtropical" regions</span></div>
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Agreed, we could build off the North Africa tagging page (either incorporate content there, or just rename the page). I'm not sure the best way to capture all of it with a name ... subtropics/tropics doesn't capture all areas which might have this kind of infrastructure, nor do all areas
there have this kind of infrastructure (ie Florida vs N India). "Developing Infrastructure" might work? (Of course, any definition of developing is problematic...)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>I'd suggest renaming the page to avoid confusion. Perhaps Africa to start with and extend it to whatever term is better to include countries traditionally referred to as "developing countries". Or why not even use that term, since it's well established, although criticized? Then mappers can find it more easily, possibly redirect from terms like "Africa", "South America" and "India" as well.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mali_Highway_tag">Mali Highway page</a> should be renamed to the name of its page: Highway Tag Africa, or similar.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there an established workflow for adding new recommendations on those wiki pages? </div>
<div><br></div><div>A couple of other questions that have come up relating tags in "developing countries":<br></div><div><div><ul><li>How to tag a fence of dry bushes laid on the ground to protect from animals? Particularly in northern Kenya it's common to fence the enclosure where animals stay at night, as well as the entire enclosure for a family/families, that way. Hedge refers more to planted living bushes. Perhaps barrier=dry_bushes?</li>
<li>I'd also suggest to add the intermittent tag to the HOT presets for rivers and streams. Virtually all rivers and streams in northern Kenya are intermittent. Possibly combine the preset with the seasonal tag.</li><li>
Lastly I'd suggest a consensus on when to use highway=track or highway=residential within villages. In small villages where the "road" is more of a track, only suitable for 4WD's, then it feels more logical using track even within residential areas. It makes it stand out from "real roads".</li>
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt;">When are you next in Kenya?</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'll be in Kenya in August next year. But I'm also trying to engage those who helped mapping parts of northern Kenya with Google Mapmaker. Leonard Ouma, a former Google Mapmaker advocate in Kenya, has already introduced himself on this list and will engage his fellow mapper friends too.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This is addictive! :D</div><div><br></div><div>/Daniel</div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>