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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Would there be any problem linking it
      from somewhere in learnosm? I'd be happy to have a check through
      for somewhere suitable and do the work.<br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      <br>
      Nick<br>
      <br>
      On 04/11/14 22:09, Pierre Béland wrote:<br>
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      <p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258787">Hi Blake</p>
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      <p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258576" dir="ltr">revisiting
        your page, it is already quite instructive bringing attention to
        various aspects. It is clear and easy to understand.<br>
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      <p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258365" dir="ltr">Even if not
        yet completed, we could link to this in the Task Manager to help
        beginners.<br>
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              size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b>
              Blake Girardot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"><bgirardot@gmail.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Ray
              Kiddy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"><ray@ganymede.org></a> <br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a> <br>
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                  style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b>
              Mardi 4 novembre 2014 16h39<br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re:
              [HOT] unknown structures are buildings?<br>
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            Hi Ray,<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            I think the only reason my mapping tips page hasn't made it
            anywhere <br clear="none">
            else is because I haven't finished it yet and I was sort of
            waiting <br clear="none">
            until it got done and was given a final once over by
            everyone to make <br clear="none">
            sure I am not pointing out anything incorrectly before
            sharing it widely <br clear="none">
            as a resource. I have most of the data for the remaining
            sections so the <br clear="none">
            rest should go pretty quickly.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            I have been spending most of my time on validating and
            trying to help <br clear="none">
            with a data import which is almost done and then I can
            finish up the <br clear="none">
            tips page(s) and get them somewhere easier to find.<br
              clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            cheers<br clear="none">
            Blake<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            On 11/4/2014 4:27 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:<br clear="none">
            > On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:59:57 +0000<br clear="none">
            > Michel Gilbert<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com"
              href="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com">michcasa@gmail.com</a>> 
            wrote:<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            >> Hi Ian,<br clear="none">
            >><br clear="none">
            >> I found this page:<br clear="none">
            >> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips"
              target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips</a><br
              clear="none">
            >> that is created by BGirardot that provides good
            tips helping to<br clear="none">
            >> understand the context for mapping West Africa in
            terms of features.<br clear="none">
            >><br clear="none">
            >> As an uninitiated HOT mappers I would need more of
            these.<br clear="none">
            >><br clear="none">
            >> Michel<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > It seems an obvious suggestion that a link to the page
            above could<br clear="none">
            > appear on the page which some of the Instructions are
            linking to:<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response"
              target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response</a><br
              clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > Obviously BGirardot's brain is not automatically hooked
            to all the wiki<br clear="none">
            > pages it should be hooked up with, more's the pity. :-)<br
              clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > And this whole discussion could tie into the thread on
            the list:<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            >    "Video that Best Represents Our Work?"<br
              clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > This thread seems to end up discussing ways to use
            video to help teach<br clear="none">
            > mappers how to do better mapping.<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > This may be a good time for a straw-man
            catalog/training tool to appear<br clear="none">
            > on the wiki.<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            > - ray<br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            >> On Tue Nov 04 2014 at 1:27:33 PM<<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
              ymailto="mailto:thatwoodb@hushmail.com"
              href="mailto:thatwoodb@hushmail.com">thatwoodb@hushmail.com</a>> 
            wrote:<br clear="none">
            >><br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> I agree wholeheartedly with Ray. It would be
            very helpful to have a<br clear="none">
            >>> page of examples of W. Africa satellite imagery
            showing, 1)<br clear="none">
            >>> buildings that are often overlooked by mappers,
            especially the less<br clear="none">
            >>> experienced ones, because they may not look
            like buildings to the<br clear="none">
            >>> uninitiated, and; 2) things that are often
            mistaken for buildings,<br clear="none">
            >>> but aren't. This catalog could be even more
            useful if further<br clear="none">
            >>> broken down by areas/countries whose structures
            differ somewhat, as<br clear="none">
            >>> well as by typical rural vs urban structures.<br
              clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> If s/he has neither visited these countries nor
            studied their<br clear="none">
            >>> cultures, a mapper's working at a distinct
            disadvantage without<br clear="none">
            >>> such examples. I've spent some time looking at
            photos online of<br clear="none">
            >>> traditional buildings in this part of the world
            to try to improve<br clear="none">
            >>> my mapping, but these shots are taken from
            ground level, of course.<br clear="none">
            >>> And as Ray points out, it's a completely
            different experience when<br clear="none">
            >>> viewing them from a satellite's POV.<br
              clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> -Ian<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> On 11/4/2014 at 3:03 AM, "Ray Kiddy"<<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
              ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"
              href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org">ray@ganymede.org</a>> 
            wrote:<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:51:54 +0100<br
              clear="none">
            >>> Claire Halleux<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:claire.halleux@hotosm.org"
              href="mailto:claire.halleux@hotosm.org">claire.halleux@hotosm.org</a>> 
            wrote:<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>>> Hi Ray,<br clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>>> For cassava, you could add something on the
            following page I<br clear="none">
            >>>> guess:<br clear="none">
            >>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava"
              target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava</a><br
              clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>>> If you intend to use a screenshot of
            imagery, make sure you keep<br clear="none">
            >>>> the copyright visible. We got permissions
            to do so from MapBox,<br clear="none">
            >>>> HIU and Bing, for training purposes.<br
              clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>>> Cheers<br clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>>> Claire<br clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> I am not explaining myself well. The page you
            are pointing to has a<br clear="none">
            >>> picture of casava taken from the ground. This
            does not help me<br clear="none">
            >>> identify anything if I am looking at casava in
            a photo taken from a<br clear="none">
            >>> satellite.<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> How does one recognize a mound of casava in
            Liberia? Or a yurt in<br clear="none">
            >>> Mongolia? Or a well in Pakinstan? From
            satellite imagery? Does a<br clear="none">
            >>> well in Pakistan look like well in Montana?
            Probably not. So, when<br clear="none">
            >>> one has no experience with an area of the
            world, how can one<br clear="none">
            >>> identify its structures? One way is to look at
            a bunch of satellite<br clear="none">
            >>> imagery and keep asking questions, over and
            over. Or, perhaps<br clear="none">
            >>> pictures of differently shaped structures can
            be pulled out which<br clear="none">
            >>> identifies different structures and describes
            where they appear.<br clear="none">
            >>> Like a catalog.<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> So, is there some catalog of satellite imagery
            that will show what<br clear="none">
            >>> things look like in various places, for
            training purposes? Or would<br clear="none">
            >>> there be suggestions on how to create one and
            where it could be?<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>> thanx - ray<br clear="none">
            >>><br clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Ray
            Kiddy<<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
              ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"
              href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org">ray@ganymede.org</a>><br
              clear="none">
            >>>> wrote:<br clear="none">
            >>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:16:50 +0800<br
              clear="none">
            >>>>> maning sambale<<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
              ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com"
              href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>> 
            wrote:<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>>> To me, it looks like
            building=construction (the dividing<br clear="none">
            >>>>>> walls are visible). Nearly the same
            as what I've seen on the<br clear="none">
            >>>>>> ground in Malawi, Africa.<br
              clear="none">
            >>>>>> If you're unsure, just tag it as
            building=yes.<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> Is there a place on a wiki to place
            pictures that can be<br clear="none">
            >>>>> examined to learn to recognize some of
            the local structures? A<br clear="none">
            >>>>> catalog that shows how different things
            appear in different<br clear="none">
            >>>>> places?<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> I have had similar questions. I had a
            pic and the round<br clear="none">
            >>>>> honeycomb looking things were
            identified as casava plants<br clear="none">
            >>>>> growing in bunches in Liberia. Is there
            a logical place on one<br clear="none">
            >>>>> of the wikis, a sort of image catalog,
            where I could add this<br clear="none">
            >>>>> pic and mark it with "Casava plant,
            Liberia, resolution of<br clear="none">
            >>>>> image = x"?<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> I was editing in "#479 Tharparkar
            Drought, Sindh, Pakistan", and<br clear="none">
            >>>>> some of this stuff could have been on
            the moon. I just have no<br clear="none">
            >>>>> context to figure out the shapes of
            houses, what wells look like<br clear="none">
            >>>>> (just like houses?) and so on.<br
              clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> A catalog of the structure types one
            might find in, for<br clear="none">
            >>>>> example, the deserts of Pakistan might
            be helpful.<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> We could me mapping in Mongolia and I
            am also not going to know<br clear="none">
            >>>>> what a yurt looks like from above. Same
            thing.<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> I went to the wiki and did a search,
            for example, on Pakistan<br clear="none">
            >>>>> and got back, as you might expect, the
            page on Pakistan. This<br clear="none">
            >>>>> page does not show me, however, how the
            different types of<br clear="none">
            >>>>> houses there may appear in imagery.<br
              clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> I can, of course, start something, and
            will. I just wanted to<br clear="none">
            >>>>> see if there are suggestions from you
            all first.<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>> thanx - ray<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:41 AM,
            Warren Roberts<br clear="none">
            >>>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gisteacher@gmail.com"
              href="mailto:gisteacher@gmail.com">gisteacher@gmail.com</a>> 
            wrote:<br clear="none">
            >>>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>>>> Does anyone have an idea if
            these are walls for building<br clear="none">
            >>>>>>> (without roof) .. there are
            many and in Sierra Leone. Wanted<br clear="none">
            >>>>>>> to identify them ether to
            digitize them as buildings. Thanks<br clear="none">
            >>>>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>>>> [image: --]<br clear="none">
            >>>>>>><br clear="none">
            >>>>>>> Warren Roberts<br clear="none">
            >>>>><br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
            ><br clear="none">
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