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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Would there be any problem linking it
from somewhere in learnosm? I'd be happy to have a check through
for somewhere suitable and do the work.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
On 04/11/14 22:09, Pierre Béland wrote:<br>
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<p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258787">Hi Blake</p>
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<p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258576" dir="ltr">revisiting
your page, it is already quite instructive bringing attention to
various aspects. It is clear and easy to understand.<br>
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<p id="yui_3_16_0_1_1415072762962_258365" dir="ltr">Even if not
yet completed, we could link to this in the Task Manager to help
beginners.<br>
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class="yui-cursor">
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Blake Girardot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"><bgirardot@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Ray
Kiddy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"><ray@ganymede.org></a> <br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re:
[HOT] unknown structures are buildings?<br>
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Hi Ray,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I think the only reason my mapping tips page hasn't made it
anywhere <br clear="none">
else is because I haven't finished it yet and I was sort of
waiting <br clear="none">
until it got done and was given a final once over by
everyone to make <br clear="none">
sure I am not pointing out anything incorrectly before
sharing it widely <br clear="none">
as a resource. I have most of the data for the remaining
sections so the <br clear="none">
rest should go pretty quickly.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I have been spending most of my time on validating and
trying to help <br clear="none">
with a data import which is almost done and then I can
finish up the <br clear="none">
tips page(s) and get them somewhere easier to find.<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
cheers<br clear="none">
Blake<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
On 11/4/2014 4:27 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:<br clear="none">
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:59:57 +0000<br clear="none">
> Michel Gilbert<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com"
href="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com">michcasa@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>> Hi Ian,<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> I found this page:<br clear="none">
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips</a><br
clear="none">
>> that is created by BGirardot that provides good
tips helping to<br clear="none">
>> understand the context for mapping West Africa in
terms of features.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> As an uninitiated HOT mappers I would need more of
these.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Michel<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> It seems an obvious suggestion that a link to the page
above could<br clear="none">
> appear on the page which some of the Instructions are
linking to:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response"
target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response</a><br
clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Obviously BGirardot's brain is not automatically hooked
to all the wiki<br clear="none">
> pages it should be hooked up with, more's the pity. :-)<br
clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> And this whole discussion could tie into the thread on
the list:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> "Video that Best Represents Our Work?"<br
clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> This thread seems to end up discussing ways to use
video to help teach<br clear="none">
> mappers how to do better mapping.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> This may be a good time for a straw-man
catalog/training tool to appear<br clear="none">
> on the wiki.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> - ray<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>> On Tue Nov 04 2014 at 1:27:33 PM<<a
moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:thatwoodb@hushmail.com"
href="mailto:thatwoodb@hushmail.com">thatwoodb@hushmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> I agree wholeheartedly with Ray. It would be
very helpful to have a<br clear="none">
>>> page of examples of W. Africa satellite imagery
showing, 1)<br clear="none">
>>> buildings that are often overlooked by mappers,
especially the less<br clear="none">
>>> experienced ones, because they may not look
like buildings to the<br clear="none">
>>> uninitiated, and; 2) things that are often
mistaken for buildings,<br clear="none">
>>> but aren't. This catalog could be even more
useful if further<br clear="none">
>>> broken down by areas/countries whose structures
differ somewhat, as<br clear="none">
>>> well as by typical rural vs urban structures.<br
clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> If s/he has neither visited these countries nor
studied their<br clear="none">
>>> cultures, a mapper's working at a distinct
disadvantage without<br clear="none">
>>> such examples. I've spent some time looking at
photos online of<br clear="none">
>>> traditional buildings in this part of the world
to try to improve<br clear="none">
>>> my mapping, but these shots are taken from
ground level, of course.<br clear="none">
>>> And as Ray points out, it's a completely
different experience when<br clear="none">
>>> viewing them from a satellite's POV.<br
clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> -Ian<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> On 11/4/2014 at 3:03 AM, "Ray Kiddy"<<a
moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"
href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org">ray@ganymede.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:51:54 +0100<br
clear="none">
>>> Claire Halleux<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:claire.halleux@hotosm.org"
href="mailto:claire.halleux@hotosm.org">claire.halleux@hotosm.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Hi Ray,<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> For cassava, you could add something on the
following page I<br clear="none">
>>>> guess:<br clear="none">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava"
target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava</a><br
clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> If you intend to use a screenshot of
imagery, make sure you keep<br clear="none">
>>>> the copyright visible. We got permissions
to do so from MapBox,<br clear="none">
>>>> HIU and Bing, for training purposes.<br
clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Cheers<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Claire<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> I am not explaining myself well. The page you
are pointing to has a<br clear="none">
>>> picture of casava taken from the ground. This
does not help me<br clear="none">
>>> identify anything if I am looking at casava in
a photo taken from a<br clear="none">
>>> satellite.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> How does one recognize a mound of casava in
Liberia? Or a yurt in<br clear="none">
>>> Mongolia? Or a well in Pakinstan? From
satellite imagery? Does a<br clear="none">
>>> well in Pakistan look like well in Montana?
Probably not. So, when<br clear="none">
>>> one has no experience with an area of the
world, how can one<br clear="none">
>>> identify its structures? One way is to look at
a bunch of satellite<br clear="none">
>>> imagery and keep asking questions, over and
over. Or, perhaps<br clear="none">
>>> pictures of differently shaped structures can
be pulled out which<br clear="none">
>>> identifies different structures and describes
where they appear.<br clear="none">
>>> Like a catalog.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> So, is there some catalog of satellite imagery
that will show what<br clear="none">
>>> things look like in various places, for
training purposes? Or would<br clear="none">
>>> there be suggestions on how to create one and
where it could be?<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> thanx - ray<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Ray
Kiddy<<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:ray@ganymede.org"
href="mailto:ray@ganymede.org">ray@ganymede.org</a>><br
clear="none">
>>>> wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:16:50 +0800<br
clear="none">
>>>>> maning sambale<<a
moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com"
href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> To me, it looks like
building=construction (the dividing<br clear="none">
>>>>>> walls are visible). Nearly the same
as what I've seen on the<br clear="none">
>>>>>> ground in Malawi, Africa.<br
clear="none">
>>>>>> If you're unsure, just tag it as
building=yes.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> Is there a place on a wiki to place
pictures that can be<br clear="none">
>>>>> examined to learn to recognize some of
the local structures? A<br clear="none">
>>>>> catalog that shows how different things
appear in different<br clear="none">
>>>>> places?<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I have had similar questions. I had a
pic and the round<br clear="none">
>>>>> honeycomb looking things were
identified as casava plants<br clear="none">
>>>>> growing in bunches in Liberia. Is there
a logical place on one<br clear="none">
>>>>> of the wikis, a sort of image catalog,
where I could add this<br clear="none">
>>>>> pic and mark it with "Casava plant,
Liberia, resolution of<br clear="none">
>>>>> image = x"?<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I was editing in "#479 Tharparkar
Drought, Sindh, Pakistan", and<br clear="none">
>>>>> some of this stuff could have been on
the moon. I just have no<br clear="none">
>>>>> context to figure out the shapes of
houses, what wells look like<br clear="none">
>>>>> (just like houses?) and so on.<br
clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> A catalog of the structure types one
might find in, for<br clear="none">
>>>>> example, the deserts of Pakistan might
be helpful.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> We could me mapping in Mongolia and I
am also not going to know<br clear="none">
>>>>> what a yurt looks like from above. Same
thing.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I went to the wiki and did a search,
for example, on Pakistan<br clear="none">
>>>>> and got back, as you might expect, the
page on Pakistan. This<br clear="none">
>>>>> page does not show me, however, how the
different types of<br clear="none">
>>>>> houses there may appear in imagery.<br
clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> I can, of course, start something, and
will. I just wanted to<br clear="none">
>>>>> see if there are suggestions from you
all first.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>> thanx - ray<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:41 AM,
Warren Roberts<br clear="none">
>>>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gisteacher@gmail.com"
href="mailto:gisteacher@gmail.com">gisteacher@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>> Does anyone have an idea if
these are walls for building<br clear="none">
>>>>>>> (without roof) .. there are
many and in Sierra Leone. Wanted<br clear="none">
>>>>>>> to identify them ether to
digitize them as buildings. Thanks<br clear="none">
>>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>> [image: --]<br clear="none">
>>>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>>> Warren Roberts<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
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