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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all, <br>
      <br>
      I haven't had a look at the area so I can be wrong, but having
      lived for years in Sahelian cities <b>I would *NOT* use
        leisure=garden</b>, as this is all but for leisure. <br>
      In western African cities these garden serve the essential use of
      feeding people. <br>
      All the fresh fruits and vegetables you find on markets in these
      cities are locally produced. <br>
      Fridges, transportation and all the logistics we are used to in
      Europe or the USA to bring fresh stuff into our cities from all
      corners of the world (with an obvious environmental impact...) are
      simply not reliable when transposed to Africa. <br>
      Hence the need for local production. <br>
      And again they are not into "leisure gardening" this is a serious
      and for many a full-time activity, their jobs.<br>
      <br>
      This said, many thanks to you all for your contribution. The map
      has greatly improved in this region of the world recently, and
      weren't be me, my comment would have been brought forward or
      things amended by some members of the young but dynamic OSM local
      chapters. They too are doing tremendous work mapping in difficult
      conditions (logistics, again, and for some political unrest, other
      threats like uncontrolled armed groups or Ebola...). <br>
      Their contribution is of great value as you will agree there is
      nothing like on-site expertise.<br>
      <br>
      Rod<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 23/11/14 17:16, althio forum wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAF1YuDAf=WEzoCGDbenDrE1dXcns3vTY70nLU7S_1Uss7P_iuw@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Blake and HOT<br>
        <br>
        Thank you for your insight.
        <div>I will try to follow your advice on "make that a proper
          multi polygon".<br>
          I realize 'small gardens' is a bit of a stretch.<br>
          These few parcels are less than 100 m x 100 m with crop
          patches typically of 10 to 20 m so I thought they might be
          some kind of collective urban gardens.<br>
          <br>
          But I don't know how to tag this.<br>
          [... search in google ...
          <div>found <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening</a>
            ...</div>
          <div>... searching in the wiki ...</div>
          <div>found <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security#Community_gardens">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security#Community_gardens</a>]</div>
          <div>OK I have been lazy! ;) That fits quite well:<br>
            <br>
            <h2 style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;margin:0px
              0px
0.6em;overflow:hidden;padding-top:0.5em;padding-bottom:0.17em;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(170,170,170);font-size:19px;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.2000007629395px;background-image:none;background-repeat:initial"><span
                class="" id="Community_gardens">Community gardens</span></h2>
            <p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;line-height:19.2000007629395px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">These
              are patches of land usually covering one or two city
              blocks where community members can grow their own produce
              on an individual plot.<tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:15px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:garden:type&action=edit&redlink=1"
                  class="" title="Key:garden:type (page does not exist)"
style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">garden:type</a>=*</tt> is
              relatively well-used (see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                class=""
                href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/garden%3Atype"
style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);padding-right:13px">taginfo</a>)
              and we include it here to make the garden explicitly a
              community garden, not simply a garden that is in a city
              and might be publicly accessed.</p>
            <ul style="line-height:19.2000007629395px;margin:0.3em 0px
              0px
1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">
              <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:15px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:leisure"
                    title="Key:leisure"
                    style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">leisure</a>=<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden"
                    title="Tag:leisure=garden"
                    style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">garden</a></tt></li>
              <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:15px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:garden:type&action=edit&redlink=1"
                    class="" title="Key:garden:type (page does not
                    exist)"
                    style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">garden:type</a>=<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:garden:type%3Dcommunity&action=edit&redlink=1"
                    class="" title="Tag:garden:type=community (page does
                    not exist)"
                    style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">community</a></tt></li>
              <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:15px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access"
                    title="Key:access"
                    style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">access</a>=*</tt></li>
            </ul>
            <br>
            So I can leave it as landuse=farmland knowing the small
            surface speaks for itself.</div>
          <div>Second option is leisure=garden + garden:type=community.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>What do you reckon?</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div><br>
            Blake Girardot <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
            > Oh I don't know. I don't think what I see classifies as
            "small<br>
            > gardens" especially when grouped into contiguous
            parcels.<br>
            ><br>
            > Considering how basically well mapped it is, I would
            just fix up the<br>
            > tags and in at least one example:<br>
            > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612812/-7.978442">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612812/-7.978442</a>
            make that a<br>
            > proper multi polygon.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            You are right that 'farm' is deprecated. And also from the
            wiki:</div>
          <div><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:19.2000007629395px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
                title="Key:landuse"
                style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">landuse</a>=<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland"
                title="Tag:landuse=farmland"
                style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">farmland</a></tt><span
style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.2000007629395px">: </span><span
style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.2000007629395px">for
              farm land (i.e. areas used for tillage and pasture; </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.2000007629395px">animals,
              vegetables, flowers, fruit growing).</span><br>
            <tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:19.2000007629395px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
                title="Key:landuse"
                style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">landuse</a>=<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard"
                title="Tag:landuse=farmyard"
                style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">farmyard</a></tt><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.2000007629395px">:
              for area with farm buildings (like farmhouses, dwellings,
              farmsteads, sheds, stables, </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.2000007629395px">barns,
              equipment sheds, feed bunkers, etc.)</span></div>
          <div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span
                style="line-height:19.2000007629395px"><br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span
                style="line-height:19.2000007629395px">Knowing that,</span></font></div>
          <div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span
                style="line-height:19.2000007629395px">I would then use
                landuse=farmyard for the yard of the bigger farms; this
                would be surrounded by big landuse=farmland.</span></font></div>
          A smaller farm on the contrary would be a building, maybe no
          real yard and a landuse<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.2000007629395px">=farmland.</span>
          <div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span
                style="line-height:19.2000007629395px"><br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span
                style="line-height:19.2000007629395px"><br>
              </span></font>Blake Girardot <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
            > Personally, I think the distinction between farmyard,
            farm and<br>
            > farmland is difficult, actually, correct me if I am
            wrong, but I think<br>
            > 'farm' is deprecated so only either farmland of
            farmyard are the<br>
            > choices. I go with farmland unless it is a really small
            homestead type<br>
            > ag. which I almost never map so I basically don't use
            farmyard, only<br>
            > farmland. These are right on the edge for me, bigger
            than small<br>
            > backyard garden, smaller than commercial ag. I'd group
            them as much as<br>
            > possible and tag them landuse=farmland.<br>
            <br>
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:althio.forum@gmail.com">althio.forum@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
            >> Hi HOT<br>
            >><br>
            >> Please have a look at this patchwork of small
            residential clusters and<br>
            >> mix of cultivated gardens, lawns, orchards...<br>
            >> This is currently mapped as surrounding
            landuse=farmland with<br>
            >> inclusion of landuse=residential.<br>
            >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612159/-7.978204">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612159/-7.978204</a><br>
            >><br>
            >> How would you handle this?<br>
            >> My personal opinion is:<br>
            >> * These small gardens do not qualify as farmland.<br>
            >> * The surrounding should be landuse=residential<br>
            >> * Green inclusions as leisure=garden /
            landuse=orchard</div>
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