<div dir="ltr">I agree -  a good methodology is to use the smaller tree diagram to validate in dividual distances and look at where they differ significantly. The UN doc itself is inconsistent. If you look at Kathmandu to H<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8000001907349px">etauda the tree diagram distances don't add up to the distance in the triangular table (89km vs 211km!). The tree distances are much closer to the OSRM distances and you can work on smaller ones. I managed to validate the distances within task 6 last night fairly quickly. I'll write the results up and post them on later today.</span><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8000001907349px">Jon.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>Great</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">From your table, I see many significative differences. Taking shorter segments would help to validate further I think.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">cheers<br></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><br>  <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> kusala nine <<a href="mailto:kusala9@googlemail.com" target="_blank">kusala9@googlemail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> hot <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 28 avril 2015 1h47<span class=""><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] Nepal major road validation<br> </span></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr">I did quick comparison just using names from the distance calculator from kathmandu (results below) but now moved onto checking using the smaller network diagram. this lets you concentrate on areas which are in the current task manager tasks. Just finishd Task 6 last night and they look pretty good covering Kathmandu, Hetauda, Bharatpur, Palung and Bhampali. I've since digitised roads in a couple of key tiles based on km distance discrepancies and when I've finished those I'll move on to task 3. The triangular distance table is good but points to a lot of discrepancies in the longer distances which are out of the target zones.  I'm happy to digitise the triangular table though if anyone wants to try the URL method to identify areas of difference. I'm using NGAs geonames service to identify differences in place naming - what should we do when there's a difference? e.g "Bhainsie = Bhaise Dovan". Can I attribute a synonym?<div><br clear="none"></div><div><table style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;border-collapse:collapse;width:588pt" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="783"><tbody><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt;width:79pt" height="20" width="105"><b><br clear="none">place</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="width:48pt" width="64"><b>OSM</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="width:48pt" width="64"><b>UN</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="width:54pt" width="72"><b>difference</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="width:359pt" width="478"><b>Comments…</b></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">baitadi</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">842</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">1168</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">-326</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">biratnagar</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">396</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">549</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">-153</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">chandragadhi</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">473</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">624</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">-151</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">terhathum</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">505</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">654</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">-149</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1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span="1">176</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">12</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">butwal</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">272</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">257</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">15</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">tansen</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">311</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">296</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">15</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">Birendranagar</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">595</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">575</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">20</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">dipayal</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">836</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">816</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">20</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">mahendranagar</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">706</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">684</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">22</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">dhangadhi</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">676</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">650</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">26</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">nepalgunj</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">525</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">499</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">26</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">taplejung</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">887</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">835</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">52</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">gorkha</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">197</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">140</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">57</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">dailekh</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">664</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">605</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">59</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">krishnagar</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">831</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">334</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">497</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">baglung</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">no route</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">271</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Baglung not connected - closest major place is pokhara</td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt;width:79pt" height="20" width="105">Barhabise</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">no place</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">111</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">no such place. Closest OSM place is Mangalsen by wikipedia's coordinates.</td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">kakarbhitta</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">no place</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">618</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">not inOSM. Closest is charali = 1036km (charali-kakarbhitta=11km)</td></tr><tr style="height:15pt" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="height:15pt" height="20">sindhullmadhi</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">no place</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">387</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">still looking….</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div><br><br></div><div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Andy Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:aanderson@amherst.edu" target="_blank">aanderson@amherst.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi, Andrew,<br clear="none">
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The documentation says “The results are network distance, i.e. travel-time, in 10th of seconds.” It’s hard to translate that into distances without the speeds assigned to road segments. If one knows the type of road and what the “common” speed is for that type of road one can make an estimate, but it could still be quite far off. Do you have any guidance on how to get road segment information? If one needs to download the road data itself, then the length of the segments should be there, too.<br clear="none">
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>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://un.org.np/node/10028" target="_blank">http://un.org.np/node/10028</a>, shows road distance of major cities<br clear="none">
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