<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal">As an inexperienced OSM mapper, yet someone who believes
that there is merit in the HOT approach, I found that I was frustrated for much
of the time I tried to participate according to instructions and by following
pointers and tracking down relevant resources.
My participation during the few days I spent on this track far exceeded
the specific thresholds mentioned earlier of “one session in Nepal and …less
than 5 edits in OSM” and “experienced in OSM say greater than 100 edits.”
For the record, according to a list published a couple of weeks ago I did more
than 30 changesets and 1800 edits over 6 days.
I’d wager that a substantial proportion of them didn’t meet preferred
standards for validation. I also know that there were a few instances where I
just bailed once I got error messages regarding the operation of the editor window
itself or after my attempt to save a chunk of changes got thwarted somehow. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, keeping this short to maintain focus on the numbers
being used to classify and focus certain sets of questions… they seem low to
me, but it is possible that I’m exceptionally bull-headed and dense. And no
worries, you'll probably have an opportunity to hear more of my feedback once the Nepal activation
sprint transitions more completely into a marathon.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p><p class="MsoNormal">John </p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>Yes it would be an idea to classify people and send a different url for <br></div><div dir="ltr">- 1 day edit</div><div dir="ltr">- less then xxx edits</div><div dir="ltr">- others</div><div><div><br></div><div>We would also know how many answered in each of these groups while respecting anonymity. <br></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div></font></span><div class="hm HOEnZb"><br> </div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> </div><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> </div><div dir="ltr"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> <hr size="1"> </div><font face="Arial" size="2"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> Pierre Béland <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc :</span></b> Heather Leson <<a href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a>>; "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 20 mai 2015 18h48</div><div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] DRAFT- HOT Nepal Response Community Survey<br> </div></div></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">You should be able to get a list of HOT /OSM ids with the data attached. Now extract from this those who have only done one session in Nepal and have less than 5 edits in OSM.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">When you send out the questionnaire to this group you send them a link to the full version.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">For those who are experienced in OSM say greater than 100 edits send them a link which omits the training questions. Etc.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If you can find someone to code it it is technically possible that when you send the link you also send the email address embedded in the link.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hopefully that makes it a bit clearer. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br><br></div><div><div><br clear="none"><div>On 20 May 2015 at 18:34, Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>John</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This will work only with the people that accept to provide their identity and osm nickname.<br clear="none"></div><div><span></span> <br clear="none"></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"> <br clear="none"><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br clear="none"></span></div><br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> john whelan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> Heather Leson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc :</span></b> "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 20 mai 2015 17h54<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] DRAFT- HOT Nepal Response Community Survey<br clear="none"> </font> </div><div><div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">It appears my comments on email addresses were not understood clearly.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If we do an extract on OSM and HOT we can identify people who have mapped in OSM before, those who have mapped on only one occasion in Nepal etc. In other words if we only send the relevant questions to a group of email addresses who we know have never mapped before then we can tailor the questions specifically to them. Or have two or three versions of the questionnaire one for each group we are interested in. The other method is to pick up their email address, there are methods to do this by passing the information in the link to the questionnaire. If you use that method then link the email address to the questionnaire you can then link it to other information from HOT and OSM. However this method may run into privacy law considerations in various countries unless you ask permission. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Asking an experienced mapper say one with a hundred plus edits in OSM what they think of the training is probably a waste of time, they probably didn't look at it. However by asking them the question you have added to respondent burden. If you know the answer or can deduce it then first its probably more accurate, people do not always answer truthfully, second the normal rule of surveys is take up the minimum time necessary to get the information you require.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Can you get the person's country from their OSM profile? etc. Can we get their preferred language from their OSM profile?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Another issue is if you are going to host the questionnaire on Hackpad or Dropbox then you may lose some respondents who will not agree to giving up their list of email contacts to dropbox should they elect to sign in using something like Google sign in. Typically these may represent a group of users you might be interested in.<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On 19 May 2015 at 12:38, Heather Leson <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>HI Folks, A few of us have been working hard to create a HOT Nepal Response Community Survey. We have collected input from working groups and activation leads. With so many new contributors and deep engagement at all levels, we really heard your comments on the list and see the future opportunities. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>The final version is not ready yet, but we are close. Take a look and add some comments. Note: it is our goal to be as brief as possible to respect people's time.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://hackpad.com/HOT-Nepal-Response-Community-Survey-pOlKdatnSk2" target="_blank">https://hackpad.com/HOT-Nepal-Response-Community-Survey-pOlKdatnSk2</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div>Tyler, Heather and the team are aiming to send this far and wide by May 21st. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div>(Note: this is the first time we have ever done a formal HOT community survey. We do want to improve and hope that your input once the survey will help you grow HOT. Stay tuned for when it is live.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div>Also, if you want to be part of the data analytics (post survey team), please let us know <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks!<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>Heather on behalf of the team<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="all"></font></span><div><div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Heather Leson<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:heatherleson@gmail.com" target="_blank">heatherleson@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">Twitter: HeatherLeson <br clear="none">Blog: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://textontechs.com/" target="_blank">textontechs.com</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
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