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Steve,<br>
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Thanks for the feed back. Great to know that a course has been
thought of earlier. Via the Task manager seems a good way to get
quick and simple feedback , as you mentioned.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Graham<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/4/2016 2:49, Steve Bower wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Graham,
<div>Excellent questions on an important topic - I think HOT has
improved its mentoring & management of validation &
validators, and needs to continue that effort.</div>
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<div>There is a validation course at the HOT Training Center
[1], "required training for, and will teach the essential
knowledge required to, perform the Validation Role during an
Activation". I have not taken the course, and don't know
if/how it is "enforced" as a required course.<br>
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<div>Regarding "coaching", questioned in your summary list of
key points : I think the point is that validators need to be
good coaches, giving feedback to the mappers being validated
(as John clarified). Feedback from validators has in the
past been largely lacking, in my limited experience - hence
new mappers don't always learn from their mistakes. The
Tasking Manager could be enhanced to simplify and encourage
feedback from validators to appropriate mappers.</div>
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<div>Mike Thompson : Regarding:</div>
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<div>"1) If the instructions explicitly say not to map
something (e.g. tracks) but some were mapped and were done
so correctly by the generally accepted practices in OSM, do
you leave them? I did."</div>
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I would give the feedback that it was not necessary to trace the
tracks, and that it would be preferable to stick to
the requested features in the future in order to complete the
project as quickly as possible. However, they were traced
correctly, and thank you for the contribution and your extra
work. (As John said, in general the work of others should not be
deleted, only corrected as needed.)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mike
Thompson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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2016 at 11:25 AM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a
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you read through the wiki it specifically
mentions highway=service.<br>
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>By default,
primary/secondary/tertiary/unclassified/residential
and service <tt
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are supposed to be paved.<br>
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<div>It would be more clear and obvious if
highway=service appeared in the table with the
other possible values, but I will accept this as
indicating that we should "highway=service" roads
in Africa.</div>
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I'm validating then I consider I'm
validating the work done by HOT mappers on
this project on the tile. Any previous work
that was there before I consider governed by
the general rules of OSM ie don't touch it
unless its very clearly wrong and even then
there is a long winded protocol that it is
recommended you follow. I certainly won't
delete anything because it wasn't there on
the image. <Crtl>i can be helpful and
looking at the number of edits the mapper
has made can give you a clue as well.<br>
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