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    Steve,<br>
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    Thanks for the feed back. Great to know that a course has been
    thought of earlier. Via the Task manager seems a good way to get
    quick and simple feedback , as you mentioned.<br>
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    Cheers,<br>
    Graham<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/4/2016 2:49, Steve Bower wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Graham,
        <div>Excellent questions on an important topic - I think HOT has
          improved its mentoring & management of validation &
          validators, and needs to continue that effort.</div>
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        <div>There is a validation course at the HOT Training Center
          [1], "required training for, and will teach the essential
          knowledge required to, perform the Validation Role during an
          Activation". I have not taken the course, and don't know
          if/how it is "enforced" as a required course.<br>
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          <div>Regarding "coaching", questioned in your summary list of
            key points : I think the point is that validators need to be
            good coaches, giving feedback to the mappers being validated
            (as John clarified). Feedback from validators has in the
            past been largely lacking, in my limited experience - hence
            new mappers don't always learn from their mistakes. The
            Tasking Manager could be enhanced to simplify and encourage
            feedback from validators to appropriate mappers.</div>
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        <div>Mike Thompson : Regarding:</div>
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          <div>"1) If the instructions explicitly say not to map
            something (e.g. tracks) but some were mapped and were done
            so correctly by the generally accepted practices in OSM, do
            you leave them?  I did."</div>
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        I would give the feedback that it was not necessary to trace the
        tracks, and that it would be preferable to stick to
        the requested features in the future in order to complete the
        project as quickly as possible. However, they were traced
        correctly, and thank you for the contribution and your extra
        work. (As John said, in general the work of others should not be
        deleted, only corrected as needed.)<br>
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        <div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://courses.hotosm.org/course/index.php?categoryid=2">http://courses.hotosm.org/course/index.php?categoryid=2</a></div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,<br clear="all">
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                  <div dir="ltr">~~Steve</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mike
            Thompson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:miketho16@gmail.com" target="_blank">miketho16@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Apr 8,
                      2016 at 11:25 AM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If
                            you read through the wiki it specifically
                            mentions highway=service.<br>
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                            >By default,
                            primary/secondary/tertiary/unclassified/residential
                            and service <tt
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                                href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway"
                                title="Key:highway" target="_blank">highway</a>=*</tt>
                            are supposed to be paved.<br>
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                    <div>It would be more clear and obvious if
                      highway=service appeared in the table with the
                      other possible values, but I will accept this as
                      indicating that we should "highway=service" roads
                      in Africa.</div>
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                            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">When
                            I'm validating then I consider I'm
                            validating the work done by HOT mappers on
                            this project on the tile.  Any previous work
                            that was there before I consider governed by
                            the general rules of OSM ie don't touch it
                            unless its very clearly wrong and even then
                            there is a long winded protocol that it is
                            recommended you follow.  I certainly won't
                            delete anything because it wasn't there on
                            the image.  <Crtl>i can be helpful and
                            looking at the number of edits the mapper
                            has made can give you a clue as well.<br>
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