<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div></div>Hi everyone, <br><br></div>Neat reading about your UAV achievements Fred, how these serve and will serve the current response and to learn about your now volunteering work for the Haitian government. <br><br>Dale, Blake and Cristiano: none asked for HOT US Inc to step into UAV
coordination, but just to consider and support via small means a local
collective of professional dronists highly cognizant of Haiti in
emergency/development contexts, nothing more! <br><br></div>The lack of consideration and support from HOT US Inc for the local UAV capacities reveals what HOT lost since 2010 and ability to change the game in terms of pre-crisis GIS baseline generation tied to effective local community capacities building schemes in an agile manner. Fred, none has spoken in your name but referred to this experience attached to your name which acts as a revelatory of what HOT US Inc did lose and actually is. <br></div><div>This casts doubts about the reality of HOT US Inc local community support schemes and make one wonder if they are just useful communication and fundraising tools.<br><br></div><div>When anyone who conveyed (HOT US Inc included) to the Word Humanitarian Summit (WHS) agreed to drastic change in the way the humanitarian system works and the need to put at its centre empowered local communities, HOT US inc lack of consideration/inclusion of Haitian local capacities forged through the Haiti 2010 Quake humanitarian and reconstruction efforts speaks for itself. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, a word on the conditions under which those emails were written. I am coordinating with Severin Ménard (and seconded in this by Augustin Doury and Amadou Ndong) a team of 30 west african mappers to run three capacity building trainings of 10 days each around OSM/QGIS/GeOrchestra in Bouaké for overall 60 persons. At the same time we had been engaging and organizing Western African and Haitian mappers in the current OSM response. The last 10 days had all to do with a very intense humanitarian deploy fo 14/16 hours of work a day. I wish I can spend more time training, organizing Western African to grow their ability to map in development and in humanitarian contexts as well as supporting Haitians responding to Cyclone Matthew via a decentralized and openstreetmap response inclusive of local mappers..<br><br></div><div>Best, <br></div><div>Nicolas <br></div><div><br><br><br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 12:54 PM, FredM <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frmoine@gmail.com" target="_blank">frmoine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>I finally took the time to read,</p>
<p>And by the way, I want to send a message to HT talk and OSM
Haiti.</p>
<p>We tried our best to continue to run our drone operation to
highlight some problem in Haiti. Since 2012, we tried to find some
fund to fly over Canaan area. <br>
</p>
<p>Since 2014 or earlier, international community came in Canaan
Area and we had to stop our mapping party in Canaan. So in 2015 we
proposed to fly over this area to ARC and others to maintain a
link with this area. We asked to cover the cost of the drone and
the team. <br>
</p>
<p>Our goal is to finalize our methodology, and cover the cost to
run a drone unit in Haiti (it is quite costly) to help other
community.<br>
</p>
<p><a class="m_-6352681303285999731moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://potentiel3-0.org/index.php/en/" target="_blank">http://potentiel3-0.org/index.<wbr>php/en/</a></p>
<p>As I am in Haiti, we can discuss about it ( 36 19 45 44) but
again we spent our own money, and received in 2014 the help of
Cartong. We got a small contract with ARC just now in fact. It
help us to pay a new camera and fix our drone....</p>
<p>But our goal is still the same highlight some problem with
accuracy and find local solution. <br>
</p>
<p>So I have tried to make a coordination with hot Tanzania project
this year but I didn't success. At least I have tried....</p>
<p>Right now, we are using drone to find the best warehouse for the
operation in Jeremie, later for the damage assessment. I am
volunteer for the Haitian government for the moment. <br>
</p>
<p>All the best and thanks all for the work done for Haiti. And
help us to build local capacity, open mind, it is the most
important at the end.<br>
</p>
<p>FredM<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>wrote:<br>
</p><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Great job Fred, glad that you've managed to get
things going on your own.
<div>When if you have the imagery available please feel free to
let us know and we can make sure it's available on
OpenAerialMap. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Stay safe and we wish you the best.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:34 PM, FredM <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frmoine@gmail.com" target="_blank">frmoine@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Oups, <br>
</p>
<p>Didn't read all your message. I have seen my name but I
don't have time for that.<br>
<br>
Could you stop to use it as I have no time to cross
check what you said. Fred can talk for Fred : )</p>
<p>Just came back from an assessment in Jeremie for the
gouvernment. We have huge work to do. So I am right now
with the CNIGS and civil protection. In the field we
flew drone for planification ( Warehouse, fix the port,
damage assessment, etc...)</p>
<p>Let me know if you have more UAV resource, For now we
have 2 ebee and 3 quadecopter. + Satellite imagery. <br>
</p>
<p>Drone imagery is useful, we are using it in our NGO to
promote technology and use it for local community. Not
for the business or the storytelling. <br>
</p>
<p>Only for operational purpose,... far away from the
"Humanitarian circus" or something else. <br>
</p>
<p>All the best FredM</p>
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<div>Hey everyone,</div>
<div>First thanks to everyone that has contributed
to the base mapping thus far. Many humanitarian
groups including the Red Cross, Canadian
Military, and the UN. I would much rather be
mapping than responding to the copious emails
but I wanted to try and end the discussion so we
can get back to mapping.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There has been a lot of chatter about UAV
imagery the disaster imagery charter on the list
serve with many accusations flying back and
forth. I in my role as the activation lead for
Hurricane Matthew, Vice-President of HOT, and
GIS Lead for the American Red Cross see no value
in trying to coordinate UAV use in Haiti. As has
been said by Blake and Cristiano both of whom
know more about this subject than I HOT should
focus on the things we do best and leave
coordination of UAV use and operation to
UVAviators.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes HOT in 2010 was different and HOT members
took extraordinary measures to update the map
for humanitarians. Due largely to those efforts
and later ones in the Philippines, West Africa,
Nepal, and many others HOT has become a trusted
source of map data immediately following a
disaster. Groups like the ones mentioned above
have deeply integrated into their work and trust
HOT and its amazing volunteers to provide the
map data. One of the reasons HOT is trusted is
because of our consistency. We provide a very
reliable service without causing a lot of drama
for the large humanitarian organizations.
Throughout my time responding to disasters over
the last few years consistency is paramount
during large scale disasters. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Comparing the airspace and subsequent use of
UAVs in Tanzania, during normal "blue skies"
times to the crowded chaotic airspace in Haiti
shows a lack of basic understanding of the
complexity of modern humanitarian operations. If
I were empowered, which I'm not even close to
being able to do, to simply put someone in a car
or on a helicopter and send them into the
affected areas I wouldn't. Given the reports
from the area from UN, Red Cross, and other NGOs
I would send food, water, and shelter kits. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>HOT has declined to support Fred's effort not
because we don't think he has the capability but
rather because HOT should and must be consistent
in our work. In fact, Fred flies drones
professionally and is currently under contract
to fly a drone mission in Canaan for American
Red Cross prior to Hurricane Matthew, hence he
was in Haiti during the storm. We must
understand our place during large scale
international disasters, we must know the limits
of our work, and we must not put the
organization at risk without ample time to study
and think about those risks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lastly, as things have changed in disasters
in the last few years the need to activate the
imagery disaster charter has largely gone away.
HOT has fantastic relationships with imagery
providers and governments. All are often happy
to provide imagery when they are capable of
doing so.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you would like to contribute to the
current mapping in Haiti please grab a task at <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at
3:00 PM, Cristiano Giovando <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cristiano.giovando@hotosm.org" target="_blank">cristiano.giovando@hotosm.org</a><wbr>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Nicolas,<br>
<br>
As you well know HOT's strength is in
pre-event baseline mapping. We<br>
have done some damage assessment and
post-disaster mapping in the<br>
past, but it's not easy and with controversial
results.<br>
<br>
That being said, I'm sure other responding
organizations who request<br>
HOT baseline mapping support may still find it
useful to have high<br>
resolution imagery of post event areas,
although limited to the range<br>
of a small UAV. I'm not in a position to speak
for them.<br>
<br>
Again - and I'm asking you personally, please
- please let's avoid<br>
confrontation, insinuations, and bring up past
arguments. It's<br>
absolutely not the time. If you care about
Haiti and HOT, please try<br>
to engage with this community with a
constructive, positive and humble<br>
approach. Long emails take effort and
thinking, which now would be<br>
much better spent in actually doing
(mapping?).<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Cristiano<br>
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chavent<br>
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wrote:<br>
> Hi Blake,<br>
><br>
> Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on
the ground have skills and extensive<br>
> experience but little resources to
keep up their work; this did not prevent<br>
> them from doing what they are good
at. This can limit the span of their<br>
> action at a time where humanitarian
actors need local capacities to generate<br>
> post disaster UAV imagery as well as
satellite imagery to carry out post<br>
> disaster needs assessment. Support to
their work can span from small<br>
> logistics support (rides in UNHAS,
helis, plane and cars). This is quite<br>
> common to get such support in any
sudden onset disaster responses when<br>
> GIS/UAV resources (leading to high
impact for IM and decision making)<br>
> already undersized are rare, too
rare.<br>
><br>
> When HOT started its first field
missions, we were exactly in the same<br>
> situation as Fred. Skilled
individuals (less experimented though)
with<br>
> adequate equipment, but with little
operational resources. We did good.<br>
> Without the above mentioned forms of
support, though our impact would have<br>
> been limited and the course of action
for OMS in Haiti and in other<br>
> countries different.<br>
><br>
> With the above in mind, it's weird to
read that the president of HOT US Inc<br>
> stating that the only HOT US Inc
support for Fred and this collective of<br>
> local Haitian dronists is only a well
known list of UAV groups and a pointer<br>
> to UN OCHA. That's of no help.<br>
><br>
> UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US
Inc in Development and Disaster Risk<br>
> Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks
to multi years of UAV activities in<br>
> Haiti, this country is no longer a
terra incognita when it comes to drones<br>
> and there is no such thing as "UAV
missions in disaster zones with<br>
> notoriously complicated airspaces"
but an area where it's possible to<br>
> operate and make the difference we
ought to the Haitians and to the Haitians<br>
> mappers/dronists who acquired part of
their skills via HOT US Inc and OSM<br>
> folks.<br>
><br>
> Do we have to understand that HOT US
Inc will not help with simple<br>
> facilitation work with partner relief
organizations working in Haiti, some<br>
> of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having
representatives in the membership or the<br>
> Board ?<br>
><br>
> Given where HOT US Inc comes from and
ironically in Haiti, this would mean a<br>
> lot in terms of the losses of our
operational/organizational ethos and would<br>
> raise questions about the reality of
support/empowerment schemes to local<br>
> communities or possible conflict of
interest between members/Board members<br>
> of HOT US Inc and other
organizations.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Nicolas<br>
><br>
> [1] : <a href="https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hotosm.org/projects/ta<wbr>nzania</a><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake
Girardot <<a href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com" target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Nico,<br>
>><br>
>> As you say, you and Fred have
extensive experience in Hait and working<br>
>> with international partners in
Haiti. Fred is actually on the ground<br>
>> in Haiti. You and he would be the
best to coordinate him flying<br>
>> missions.<br>
>><br>
>> This is not something HOT does,
we do not coordinate or push for UAV<br>
>> missions in disaster zones with
notoriously complicated airspaces. We<br>
>> rely on, and UAV missions need to
be handled, by professionals, which<br>
>> you and Fred are, so I expect you
should be able to handle making the<br>
>> proper arrangements and
coordinations.<br>
>><br>
>> I already suggested who to
contact, UAviators, they have coordinated<br>
>> UAV missions in disaster zones in
the past numerous times in<br>
>> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is
HOT's contact, I passed it on to you<br>
>> already.<br>
>><br>
>> This is all HOT can do, except
eagerly anticipate the imagery Fred's<br>
>> missions generate.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Blake<br>
>><br>
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L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast.
<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">www.avast.com</a>
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