<div dir="auto">Silvia and myself validated their mapping on 1396. I think it took us the best part of a week and a couple have been seen mapping since.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 Apr 2017 4:11 pm, "Jo" <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I just wanted to mention I'm going to organize a followup meetup at one of the universities that participated in that Belgian Mapathon on the 26th of April. My intention is to explain mapping with JOSM, of course, but if there are a few people that participated, who are coming back, I'll explain what's involved in validating to them.<div><br></div><div>Towards the end of the Mapathon I had already started doing that, but I had only 10 of the 300 participants.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, mostly to mention that at least I, I have not forgotten about validation of those tasks.</div><div><br></div><div>Polyglot</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-09 17:08 GMT+02:00 Matthew Gibb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mjngibb@gmail.com" target="_blank">mjngibb@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Great feedback, thank you, John.<div><br></div><div>This is definitely a working document so I'll begin incorporating all of your points (or feel free to edit, the settings are open), not to mention most folks have their own process for validating, so some answers may be slightly different, depending on who is writing it. Very good point on the JOSM being mentioned. There's also a working document going around with tips on using JOSM for validation (and mapping in general). We'll want to make sure any available documentation is referenced. Dale and Andrew also made a validation style for JOSM, which I'll include a link to. </div><div><br></div><div>Quick feedback I think is the biggest hurdle, which is why there has been such a push for more documentation, so that there can be resources for encouraging more users to validate.</div><div><br></div><div>I know you've led quite a few discussions on this list about validation, so I'll be sure to check through those as well to find a common points.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br>Matt</div></div><div class="m_-650979563086221312HOEnZb"><div class="m_-650979563086221312h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:16 AM john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment on the validation FAQs.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment one feedback, the document talks about positive feedback with "great work!" citing Martin's research. Martin's work does not say that and we have had the discussion here before about the subject.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment two <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Valid<wbr>ating_data</a> exists I suggest a reference to it.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment three nowhere does it mention the desirability of using JOSM. Nothing else catches the duplicate nodes, crossing highways with no node and highways that almost meet. JOSM validation hits a few more as well.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment four squaring buildings. When you square them you change the area and orientation. You are doing an approximation. iD is quite capable of drawing a square building, if its a building only project JOSM building_tool plugin is faster and accurate. JOSM can be run from a USB Stick. Squaring buildings might look prettier but I don't think it has any part of validation and I certainly do not think a validator should square buildings with the nuclear JOSM option. (select buildings with less than a certain number of nodes, subselect mapper then "q".)<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment five at what point do feedback messages become a nuisance? We have mappers who have mapped more than a thousand tiles accurately. Are you going to give them 1,000 well done messages? If the work is more than ten days old its probably not worth giving feedback. If they are making a consistent mistake then hopefully it will have been corrected by now and you stand the chance of alienation with 20 messages pointing out the same mistake on work that is a year old. That's why its important to give feedback quickly.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment six, given the recent very large Belgium mapathon validating within a short period of time became a major challenge. Giving detailed feedback to mappers who will only map once takes about three or four times more time than just checking the tiles. Do you decide to validate as many tiles as possible or give detailed feedback? Pros and cons?<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Comment seven most new mappers are not confident enough to mark a tile done. These are the mappers you want to catch making errors so they don't get set in their ways. Should they be mentioned somewhere?<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Have fun<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John <br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">On 9 April 2017 at 07:55, Matthew Gibb <span dir="ltr" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mjngibb@gmail.com" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" target="_blank">mjngibb@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Hi John, as Pete mentioned, I think there are going to be a number of features in the TM3 that will help with managing and validating projects. <br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">I've been putting together a Validation FAQ if anyone would like to contribute: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BIbdrrSRueNdxvyoYJJm10VGH-hy0BM13UlSJglgrEg/edit#heading=h.di2zopdzc88x" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://docs.googl<wbr>e.com/document/d/1BIbdrrSRueNd<wbr>xvyoYJJm10VGH-hy0BM13UlSJglgrE<wbr>g/edit#heading=h.di2zopdzc88x</a><div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">We've also got a #validation channel on the HOTOSM slack group, to help prompt some discussion on validation.</div><div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Matt</div></div><div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405HOEnZb m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405h5 m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:56 AM Florian Niel <<a href="mailto:florian.niel@gmail.com" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" target="_blank">florian.niel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
<p class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Maybe there could be a button below the "Take a task at random"
which says "Validate a task at random" and behind this button
there is an algorithm which selects the most reasonable task
square.</p>
<p class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">What makes a task good for validation?</p>
<p class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">1) It has to be finished recently<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
2) Tasks by this user have not been validated yet (or just few)<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
3) The user is unexperienced<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
4) Special importance to users whose tasks vere invalidated<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
5) A checkbox (something like "please validate quickly") next to
the "Mark task as done", where mappers can somehow request quick
validation (because they are not sure if they have done it right).
Checking this box would put the task on top of this list. And when
this task has been validated the user should get a message. <br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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<p class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Another validation-related topic:<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
For me as a mapper, I wish that I would have a list of my finished
tasks where I see which have been validated / invalidated. It
would give me a boost when I see I am doing things right. <br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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<p class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Florian<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
<div class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893m_3775348989060349457moz-cite-prefix m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Am 25.03.2017 um 17:31 schrieb Pete
Masters:<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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<div dir="auto" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">Hi John, I mentioned this to Blake as feedback to
the TM3 consultation.....
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<div class="gmail_quote m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">On 25 Mar 2017 16:08, "john whelan"
<<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution" class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Some
way to spot the most recently mapped tiles that have not
been validated. The current activity list isn't too bad
except when a mapathon hits then there are more tiles
than the activity list can hold. Also validating takes
up slots on the list.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_default m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
reason I'm after the most recently mapped tiles is the
sooner I can catch a problem the fewer times it gets
repeated so the fewer times it needs to be corrected.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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need the order in which they were mapped most recent
first.<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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John<br class="m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140m_6407422572716425405m_2034436898887025893gmail_msg m_-650979563086221312m_4770780989264971140gmail_msg">
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