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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi Marco,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The correct drawing of roads should be through the village and not stopping on the residential boundary. In fact there should not be a node connecting road and boundary at all. In the example you showed there is a road running to the south and east bypassing the village. As there is no indication of any clear road through the village itself leads me to believe that those ways leading off the bypass are more likely to be paths that will weave between the buildings and should not be shown as possible vehicle routes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Ralph</span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:hot-request@openstreetmap.org">hot-request@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 31, 2017 1:09 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>HOT Digest, Vol 89, Issue 25</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Send HOT mailing list submissions to</p><p class=MsoNormal> hot@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</p><p class=MsoNormal> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</p><p class=MsoNormal>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</p><p class=MsoNormal> hot-request@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You can reach the person managing the list at</p><p class=MsoNormal> hot-owner@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</p><p class=MsoNormal>than "Re: Contents of HOT digest..."</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Today's Topics:</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> 1. Re: Highway Tag Africa wiki (Vao Matua)</p><p class=MsoNormal> 2. landuse=residential and routing problems (mbranco)</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>----------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Message: 1</p><p class=MsoNormal>Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:59:53 -0700</p><p class=MsoNormal>From: Vao Matua <vaomatua@gmail.com></p><p class=MsoNormal>To: "Jens Mueller (Historical Research Services)" <hrs@hist.de></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cc: HOT Openstreetmap <hot@openstreetmap.org></p><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [HOT] Highway Tag Africa wiki</p><p class=MsoNormal>Message-ID:</p><p class=MsoNormal> <CABvwQawh64NYNdE3ZNgfPGeuB9-c==axu8co0vQBiDFCicerYQ@mail.gmail.com></p><p class=MsoNormal>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ukundji</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for you comments, yes Ethiopia needs to have an OSM restart.</p><p class=MsoNormal>For the last 10 months I was living in SNNPR and was not able to meet a</p><p class=MsoNormal>single OSM contributor.</p><p class=MsoNormal>The infrastructure, unfortunately, makes OSM contributions and even use</p><p class=MsoNormal>very difficult.</p><p class=MsoNormal>Ethiopians would be very interested in getting OSMAnd on their phones,</p><p class=MsoNormal>however, it appears to be a restricted app.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In terms of paths to Ethiopian villages it is indeed the case that the</p><p class=MsoNormal>primary or only transportation route to a population may only be by foot or</p><p class=MsoNormal>donkey traffic on a path.</p><p class=MsoNormal>I think the perception that a path is not important is quite common and is</p><p class=MsoNormal>not true. Important or significant paths need to be mapped for commerce,</p><p class=MsoNormal>food safety, and potential relief efforts, not only in Ethiopia but in</p><p class=MsoNormal>other parts of Africa and places throughout the world.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The discussion about importance</p><p class=MsoNormal><http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Importance> doesn't</p><p class=MsoNormal>seem to have moved forward but could have some value.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>At SOTM Africa earlier this month there was quite a bit of discussion on</p><p class=MsoNormal>highway tags, including paths. Based on that discussion I have updated</p><p class=MsoNormal>the Africa</p><p class=MsoNormal>Highway Tagging guide</p><p class=MsoNormal><http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa> to help clarify</p><p class=MsoNormal>that a road has not only a construction class as well as an economic or</p><p class=MsoNormal>social function.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Emmor</p><p class=MsoNormal>(Palolo <http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Palolo>)</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jens Mueller (Historical Research</p><p class=MsoNormal>Services) <hrs@hist.de> wrote:</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Hi!</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I hope that you do not mind if I “jump into” your interesting and very</p><p class=MsoNormal>> important discussion.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I have had problems with the defintion of “unclassified roads” and “paths”.</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Based on your defintion any roads which are not accessable by 4x4 wheel</p><p class=MsoNormal>> cars should be tagged as “path” (or as “tracks” if they only connect to</p><p class=MsoNormal>> agricultural places), even if they are the only roads which connect</p><p class=MsoNormal>> settlements. Is this correct?</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Please take a short look (if you do not mind and have the time to do so)</p><p class=MsoNormal>> at a “OSM forum” discussion two years ago.</p><p class=MsoNormal>> I mapped in Ethiopia mainly oin the municipality of “Yemezegn”.</p><p class=MsoNormal>> There are several roads of different sizes there, as decribed in my</p><p class=MsoNormal>> posting.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> A native Ethiopian did in-depth research in that area for his master</p><p class=MsoNormal>> thesis and stated:</p><p class=MsoNormal>> “According to the observation data, two Kebeles namely Yemezegn and</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Gibtsawit are inaccessable by vehicles and hence, do not have easy access</p><p class=MsoNormal>> to public transport.”</p><p class=MsoNormal>> And it seems as if he meant inaccesable by all (normal, including 4x4)</p><p class=MsoNormal>> vehicles.</p><p class=MsoNormal>> If this is indeed true, should all roads be tagged as paths?</p><p class=MsoNormal>> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=54917</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Any help and ideas would be greatly appreciated after this would help me a</p><p class=MsoNormal>> lot for other mapping projects in Ethiopia and DR Congo (near the Lake</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Tanganyika, where a lot of settlements only have access by vehicles via the</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Lake).</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Thank you.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Kind Regards,</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Ukundji</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> *From:* john whelan <jwhelan0112@gmail.com></p><p class=MsoNormal>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2017 1:38 AM</p><p class=MsoNormal>> *To:* hot@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>> *Subject:* [HOT] Highway Tag Africa wiki</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I seem to recall some one posting recently that following discussion at</p><p class=MsoNormal>> the SOTM Africa in Uganda 2017 some changes had been made to the wiki.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Could some one highlight these.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Thanks John</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> ------------------------------</p><p class=MsoNormal>> _______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>> HOT mailing list</p><p class=MsoNormal>> HOT@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> _______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>> HOT mailing list</p><p class=MsoNormal>> HOT@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-------------- next part --------------</p><p class=MsoNormal>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</p><p class=MsoNormal>URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20170730/1f9c2546/attachment-0001.html></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Message: 2</p><p class=MsoNormal>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 03:20:36 -0700 (MST)</p><p class=MsoNormal>From: mbranco <mbranco2@gmail.com></p><p class=MsoNormal>To: hot@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: [HOT] landuse=residential and routing problems</p><p class=MsoNormal>Message-ID: <1501496436359-5900081.post@n8.nabble.com></p><p class=MsoNormal>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Doing remote mapping in Nigeria (project #2768), I've a very basic question</p><p class=MsoNormal>(sorry, but I searched a lot in wiki pages and mailing lists, I didn't find</p><p class=MsoNormal>anything about) :</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>all highways (usually 'unclassified') connecting a village need to be</p><p class=MsoNormal>connected between them, for routing alghoritms?</p><p class=MsoNormal>If so, and the village has no residential highways, have we to draw</p><p class=MsoNormal>"virtual" roads (with highway=residential) inside the village to get the</p><p class=MsoNormal>connection?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please look at this picture [1] to have an example.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,</p><p class=MsoNormal>Marco</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>[1] https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B65acVCG5NRQZ3VHTkFlaXR0RHM</p><p class=MsoNormal><https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B65acVCG5NRQZ3VHTkFlaXR0RHM> </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>--</p><p class=MsoNormal>View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/landuse-residential-and-routing-problems-tp5900081.html</p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap (HOT) mailing list archive at Nabble.com.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Digest Footer</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>HOT mailing list</p><p class=MsoNormal>HOT@openstreetmap.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>End of HOT Digest, Vol 89, Issue 25</p><p class=MsoNormal>***********************************</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>