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After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I
like it! It is way better than before and I am looking forward to
validating. <br>
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I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM
today. I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I
didn't get any OSM Data. I just got the imagery and the
TM-Tile-Borders, but the "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is
not what it should be? In single tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
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<br>
And I am curious what is behind the random task selection for
validation. It is really random or is there some algorithm behind
which gives me users which <br>
- haven't been validated recently or <br>
- have been invalidated recently or <br>
- are beginners or <br>
- have finished the tile just minutes ago or <br>
- ...? <br>
<br>
I really was waiting for this button, because now validators can
focus on validating without browsing for tiles. I think I will use
this button a lot.<br>
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Cheers, <br>
Florian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 2017-10-21 um 22:27 schrieb john
whelan:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm
after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the
way they are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to
correct.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If I
get a name that gives me one or more tiles. Which is the most
recent? If they are mapping in a group they may well have
corrected themselves or even by themselves they may have
experimented then read the documentation and corrected
themselves.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I've
had mappers with three of four years experience who have
benefited from feedback. One was using highway=track rather
than highway=unclassified because he once put in
name=unclassified in JOSM got an error there after used
highway=track. English even the US variety wasn't their first
language.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">You
should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake
Girardot <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think
you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.<br>
<br>
That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper
last got<br>
feedback and if it is the same as their registration time,
you know<br>
they have probably never gotten feedback.<br>
<br>
Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for
your most<br>
recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing<br>
essentially.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">blake<br>
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On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan <<a
href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Remember I'm basically lazy. I do two things when
I validate. The first is<br>
> clean up the second is provide feedback.<br>
><br>
> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the
response. You get more<br>
> tiles out of them and they are of a higher
quality. This means less clean<br>
> up for me to do.<br>
><br>
> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed
that within 24 hours is<br>
> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a
week you get much lower<br>
> responses.<br>
><br>
> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are
a week old am I going to<br>
> annoy the mapper because they may have already
corrected their bad habits as<br>
> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are
still being mentioned. So<br>
> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be
honest it takes longer for me<br>
> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the
tile myself. Remember<br>
> I'm lazy.<br>
><br>
> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate
the most recently mapped<br>
> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.<br>
><br>
> Does that make it clearer? It's about problem
avoidance or prevention<br>
> rather than verifying the mapping as such.<br>
><br>
> The how long have they been mapping helps, some
mappers I'll take a quick<br>
> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for
a few more things.<br>
><br>
> Thanks John<br>
><br>
> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM"
<<a href="mailto:blake.girardot@hotosm.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">blake.girardot@hotosm.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi John,<br>
>><br>
>> If you could explain just a bit more about why
the most recently<br>
>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?<br>
>><br>
>> I do not understand.<br>
>><br>
>> I understand it has something to do with
someone who mapped 3 months<br>
>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed
since they last mapped is<br>
>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to
maybe look at redoing<br>
>> his analysis).<br>
>><br>
>> We actually started off with what you are
asking for, but feedback<br>
>> from users was they were much more interested
in getting to the newest<br>
>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up
going with.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table
is already pretty crowded.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Blake<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan
<<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > I've found what you are doing on the
video, your accent is fine you know<br>
>> > of<br>
>> > course that people studying English like
what it is spoke years ago<br>
>> > travel<br>
>> > to parts of the US to record the Americans
as their language has been<br>
>> > isolated for many years so it much closer
to English what was spoke when<br>
>> > their families emigrated.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Yes I can pick out a user who registered
ten minutes ago and the tiles<br>
>> > they<br>
>> > mapped but that isn't what I'm after. I'm
after the most recently<br>
>> > mapped<br>
>> > tile and that's the one that is the most
valuable to give feedback on.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > By the way I'm using cut and paste on the
name displayed below to give<br>
>> > feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i
to grab the username in JOSM, its<br>
>> > faster<br>
>> > than typing it in as you were doing. Some
mappers are naughty and do<br>
>> > not<br>
>> > completely map a tile, but their mapping
still requires feedback even if<br>
>> > someone else finishes it off.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheerio John<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake
Girardot <<a href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi John,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thank you very much for your feedback
on the TM3, this and the<br>
>> >> previous. And thank you for putting
them in GitHub, that is really the<br>
>> >> best place for them.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The TM3 has better than the most
recently mapped task.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The most recently mapped task tells
you nothing about the skill level<br>
>> >> or the newness of the mapper. It could
have been completed by me, 7+<br>
>> >> years in OSM.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What I really want is to find when I
am validating is the newest<br>
>> >> mapper who someone has not already
given feedback.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> No point in me giving a 2 hour old
user feedback if you got one of<br>
>> >> their tasks 5 mins ago.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> That is what you can see in the
Tasking Manager 3.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a
silent video of how I use the<br>
>> >> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback
as fast as possible:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a
href="https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Let me know what you think of the
workflow in the video if you would<br>
>> >> please.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Respectfully,<br>
>> >> blake<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john
whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Typically when I validate I
validate the most recently mapped tiles<br>
>> >> > first<br>
>> >> > working on the principle that the
faster feedback the more likely it<br>
>> >> > is<br>
>> >> > to<br>
>> >> > be effective.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > If someone has already changed
their habits telling them that two<br>
>> >> > villages<br>
>> >> > two kilometers apart are probably
not connected by a primary highway<br>
>> >> > but<br>
>> >> > by<br>
>> >> > a minor road three months after
they have mapped is a waste of time.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I can't see how to do this in
TM3. I need a link to the tile.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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>> >> > <a
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>> >> > <a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/listinfo/hot</a><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<wbr>----------------------<br>
>> >> Blake Girardot<br>
>> >> OSM Wiki - <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/wiki/User:Bgirardot</a><br>
>> >> HOTOSM Member - <a
href="https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://hotosm.org/users/<wbr>blake_girardot</a><br>
>> >> skype: jblakegirardot<br>
>> >> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - <a
href="https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://hotosm-slack.<wbr>herokuapp.com/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>> > HOT mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>> > <a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/listinfo/hot</a><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> ------------------------------<wbr>----------------------<br>
>> Blake Girardot<br>
>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team<br>
><br>
><br>
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--<br>
------------------------------<wbr>----------------------<br>
Blake Girardot<br>
OSM Wiki - <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot"
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skype: jblakegirardot<br>
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