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<p class="MsoNormal">Bjoern, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This slide deck is a fantastic resource. May I use it in our OSM workshops?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Stace Maples <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Geospatial Manager <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Stanford Geospatial Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">@mapninja <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">214.641.0920<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Find GeoData:
<a href="https://earthworks.stanford.edu/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://earthworks.stanford.edu</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Get GeoHelp:
<a href="https://gis.stanford.edu/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://gis.stanford.edu/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">stanfordgis Listserv:
<a href="https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">"I have a map of the United States... actual size. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I spent last summer folding it." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Steven Wright-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Bjoern Hassler <bjohas+mw@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"ralph.aytoun@ntlworld.com" <ralph.aytoun@ntlworld.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>hot <hot@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [HOT] The point on the OSM Response to the DR Congo Nord Kivu Ebola outbreak<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Pierre, hi Ralph,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Ralph, that we need to have the right tools for the job. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- on dec.5 with beginners, participation, 3,025 buildings were edited but 40.2% with irregular shapes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Certain aspects of newcomer training could be more standardised. For example, at the Cambridge <span class="gmail-gr">mapathons</span>, we aimed to provide very concrete guidelines regarding how buildings should and should not be mapped,
showing several good/bad examples. (The slides are on the drive: <a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xFDiMaWRj1RBlXzVYlKp06yE2Ja9Q5rmD9-bPDp1TWo/edit#slide=id.g2326c0c777_5_273">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xFDiMaWRj1RBlXzVYlKp06yE2Ja9Q5rmD9-bPDp1TWo/edit#slide=id.g2326c0c777_5_273</a>,
see building mapping in iD). During the talk, we used to go through this quickly, but people would have the slides available (digitally) to check them in their own time. Maybe many other <span class="gmail-gr">mapathons</span> use similar slides, it may just
be that I <span class="gmail-gr">haven't</span> seen them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd developed a demonstrator for a real-time tool a little while ago which (through overpass queries) monitored edits made during a mapathon, allowing the identification of users that aren't mapping, or aren't mapping as well as expected.
Now, this was just a proof of concept, but IMHO people running a mapathon should have access to such a tool (properly developed), allowing them to spot problems then and there, i.e. spot newcomers who need a little extra help to get started, rather than only
seeing these issues at validation stage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Crowdsourcing is great, but beginner mapping is not completely trivial - more discourse around effective training, offering the right tools, catching issues early etc would be good. I'd be quite happy to coordinate some action research
around all this to help move the agenda forward (if there are people who can dedicate time to this so the effort per person is reasonable.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bjoern<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 01:17, Ralph Aytoun <<a href="mailto:ralph.aytoun@ntlworld.com">ralph.aytoun@ntlworld.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">I am also concerned about the quality of the mapping that is tying up projects because it takes up so much validation time. This is counter productive as it would
be quicker for the experienced mappers to map them but they are tied up checking and correcting so much.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">The entry point to mapping by beginners is mostly with the iD Editor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">What I have been asking about for some time is a building tool in the iD Editor similar to the one in JOSM and your concerns about the quality problems highlights
the fact that this new tool has become a matter of urgency. There has been talk about it being in development for over a year now. Can we not divert some funds to get someone to give this their urgent attention and solve many of our validating problems?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">Sent from
<a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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