<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi John and all, have asked around in HOT but no-one knows anything about this so far (neither the tagging or the user)... Will shout if anything comes up. Thanks for raising...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Pete<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:31 PM Philippe Verdy <<a href="mailto:verdyp@gmail.com">verdyp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree. If there are work to be done or to complete in any area delimited by an object (imprecise geometry, missing tags or unknown/uncertain value), there's a dedicated tag "fixme=*" tag or some subtags "fixme:*=*" if you want more space for different parts.<div><br></div><div>A preliminary name (unsourced, approximative) may be given however, but you may also annotate with descriptive tags like "description=*" (intended to be read by humans, normally not rendered on maps, but possibly shown when clicking an object to show their details to the user e.g. in a popup, bubble, or side list of properties and all tags and subjects or related objects).</div><div><br><div>Then humans can work on this and may be device some better tagging (possibly a generic one, plus some country-specific or project specific tags).</div><div><br></div><div>If a name however is just vernacular, local, or abbreviated commonly but informally, you have other tags like "loc_name=*", "short_name=*". Don't put any "name=*" if it's only descriptive or generic (such as "name=cemetery", or "name=townhall", or "name=vocano") because they have dedicated tags. And don't confuse "name=*" with "ref=*" (e.g. road numbers), or "operator=*", or "brand=*".</div></div><div>In OSM it's important to not pollute the important generic tag spaces: try be more precise with more qualifying tags.</div><div>Also take care of not abusing capitals in "name=*": we don't want to force the emphasis, the rendering will decide ifg it wants to capitalize these names according to its stylesheets or its presentation rules for information panels: forced capitalization cannot be safely undone automatically because it is destroying meaningful semantics. Just use capitals for proper names/brands or conventional abbreviations</div><div>Be careful when importing legacy data sources (such as postal addresses which are often capitalized and frequently missing some diacritics or too much abbreviated): if possible try looking up around for the correctly decapitalized unabbreviated names (place abbreviations only in "short_name=*", not "name=*", unless theses are the standard form for brands or organizations)</div><div><div>Various QA tools (like Osmose, or Ohsome) may however detect most of these issues, but not all of them.</div><div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 14 juin 2021 à 15:52, Mateusz Konieczny via HOT <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>name=area to be digitized<br></div><div dir="auto">is incorrect, misuse of name tag and is not useful<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Such tag should be deleted<br></div><div dir="auto"><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700049715" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700049715</a><br></div><div dir="auto">(I deleted entire object here as it was duplicating mapped location,<br></div><div dir="auto">some can be repurposed as landuse)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Incorrect_tagging_for_the_renderer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Incorrect_tagging_for_the_renderer</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I m not sure is it useful, but it would be possible to create notes<br></div><div dir="auto">See <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes</a><br></div><div dir="auto">But "this village has no buildings at all" is automatically detectable.<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">If you spot such graffiti, please remove it.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If it was added recently or user is still doing this - contacting someone<br></div><div dir="auto">who added it is likely a good idea.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Creating notes or adding fixme=<br></div><div dir="auto">( <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fixme" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fixme</a> ) may be also desirable,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=area%20to%20be%20digitized#map=18/14.00715/6.04317" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=area%20to%20be%20digitized</a><br></div><div dir="auto">to find more cases of invalid entries in OSM data.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Jun 14, 2021, 15:05 by <a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>I'm seeing a number of settlements called "area to be digitalised" that
were so named some years ago. In some cases they also have a settlement
name such as Roubabia Niger. In fact Roubabia appears to have been
named more than once.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> I'm not specifically seeing a HOT task on them but has any one any ideas
about them?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> One is <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Roubabia%20niger#map=14/13.6052/7.7637" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Roubabia
niger | OpenStreetMap</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Is there a protocol about when a name should be added to a settlement if
it is already named?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Is there a protocol about the use of "area to be digitalised" and when
it should be removed? <br></div><div> <br></div><div> I assume they should be cleaned up at some point in time?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Thanks John<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div><div>-- <br></div><div> <br></div><div>Sent from <a href="https://www.postbox-inc.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,157,247)">Postbox</span></a><br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </div>
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