[Imports-us] People ignoring NYC import pause, tasks done outstripping validation

[Ian Dees]

Hi Serge,

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Alex Barth <alex at mapbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> MapBox employee edits have been of bad quality, done extremely rapidly
>>> with lots of errors, tons of omissions. In nearly every single task I've
>>> examined from a MapBox rapid mapper, I've found errors or omissions in the
>>> data, and these edits in aggregate account for 88% of the total completed
>>> tasks.
>>
>>
>> Those are some tough allegations. As someone from the MapBox team I'd
>> love concrete instances of errors and omissions.
>>
>
> The same exact issues we found last time we had a meeting and talked about
> this. The issues are:
>
> 1. Geometry validation errors
> 2. Buildings which are obviously missing from the data but appear in the
> imagery
> 3. Buildings which have incorrect geometry based in the NYC data based on
> the imagery
> 4. Addresses which look "odd" and need further investigation
>
> As we discussed just two weeks ago- I can complain about these issues one
> by one, but that clearly doesn't address the problem, because the errors
> keep happening from the same users.
>
> We've consistently improved where I got concrete feedback [1]. As just
>> discussed on IM, just concrete examples (w/ changeset, link to osm.org)
>> of what you're finding so far would be great. Again, I am committed in
>> making this a stellar import.
>>
>
> That would only be possible to do if the pace of the validation was in
> line with the pace of the import, but if there are users who continue to do
> sloppy work, you simply make the burden on the validators even greater.
>
> Ideally issues you or anyone else finds is posted to Github, where it's
>> easiest to track and work off.
>>
>> https://github.com/osmlab/nycbuildings/issues?page=1&state=open
>>
>
> The problems are systemic, not individual. Asking me to fix address each
> and every single of them is simply a way to stall for time, while the
> problem continues.
>
>
>>  Next, I would love to open the import task on the tasking manager to
>> everyone again (I sent a note to Serge, Eric and Liz on this last week).
>> This is a blocker for NYC community not engaging the way it could right now.
>>
>
> The damage to NYC has been quite extensive, and you aren't addressing it.
>

I may not be a moderator on imports-us, but I'd like to ask that you read
this post I made on talk@ yesterday:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-December/068809.html

Please stick to the facts, file bugs where you see them*, and stop using
overblown, unsubstantiated words. This pushes people away from our
community and makes the people you're criticizing defensive and ignore the
issue at hand.

* I realize that you view this problem as "systemic", but identifying and
reporting individual examples of the problem you view as systemic makes it
easier to discuss with someone that might not share your systemic viewpoint.

Thanks,
Ian
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