[Imports-us] OSM US Import Committee

Serge Wroclawski emacsen at gmail.com
Mon Nov 4 17:47:00 UTC 2013


Can you elaborate on what you find confusing?

- Serge

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Carol Kraemer
<cakraemer at northrivergeographic.com> wrote:
> Serge,
> As a new person trying to understand the OSM community and culture, I find
> this more confusing though it is insightful in and of itself.
> -Carol
> -------------------------------------
> Carol Kraemer
> North River Geographic Systems, Inc
> http://www.northrivergeographic.com
> 404.431.0125 cakraemer at northrivergeographic.com
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> In light of recent activity, and frankly because we've had a large
>> influx of new members (especially new members from the OSM US board)
>> join the group in the last 3 days, I want to go over this group's
>> history, its mission and its scope.
>> For anyone who hasn't seen the talk I gave in San Fransisco, I
>> strongly suggest you watch my video on the topic of the group:
>> http://stateofthemap.us/saturday.html#schedule/saturday/the-u-s--imports-and-bots-oh-my
>> Basically, when we started this group, "import" was a bad word in OSM.
>> It was something that senior OSMers frowned upon, and there was a very
>> combative atmosphere even on the imports at osm mailing list.
>> I realized that this needed to change, that we needed imports, but
>> that the problems being pointed out were serious and needed
>> addressing. To that end, I decided that we'd make a new mailing list,
>> and have face to face meetings. That second part, the face to face
>> meetings, has been crucial. It has entirely shifted the tone of the
>> discussions in many cases.
>> And the results have been good, I think.
>> But what folks may not realize (and I may not be making clear) is the
>> very limited scope of the group within the OSM ecosystem. We're not
>> the same as the imports at osm list and we don't supersede it.
>> We also don't have control over the import guidelines. We can offer
>> our help in changing them, but we can't control them or override them.
>> We're like a neighborhood watch, we can work with, but never override
>> the police.
>> And so what is this latest draft? It's something that came out of the
>> discussion at last week's meeting where the osm.us site would have an
>> import onramp process, one which needed to be both welcoming and
>> warning at the same time.
>> So I've clearly not done a good job at conveying that, but also we
>> (this group) has no control over the DWG- outside offering our help in
>> order to change the process- and we have discussed doing that. But we
>> discussed doing that in small stages. Maybe, as Alex suggests, we
>> should take that on first, but that's something I'd like to discuss
>> first, before we act.
>> I hope this has cleared confusion, if there was any.
>> - Serge
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