[Imports-us] OSM US Import Committee

Carol Kraemer cakraemer at northrivergeographic.com
Mon Nov 4 20:28:44 UTC 2013


You have completely missed nearly every point I have tried to present here.
And we have met before at the first SotM in Atlanta.

As for the feedback, you received quite a bit of feedback on the very
document that you are trying to focus on. I rewrote a portion of it and
Mele edited it as well. Randy and I provided comments to help with the
discussion that you also said was important to this process. I even
suggested taking my comments to another thread if it was not in the
appropriate place for that discussion.


Carol Kraemer
North River Geographic Systems, Inc
404.431.0125 cakraemer at northrivergeographic.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Carol,
> My issue is this is not "Serge vs Carol" or "Serge vs Randal". In
> fact, I liked Randal for the few hours I met him back in Atlanta so
> many years ago (that doesn't mean I don't like you- I've just never
> met you).
> I will tell you that I'm quite frustrated when I read comments like
> this from you, "The fact that you have brought up on many occasions
> that GIS folk couldn't possibly understand how perform high level
> geospatial problem solving is quite frankly more than a little
> insulting." - as I've never said, or implied any such thing.  You
> might as well have said "Oh Serge, he tortures puppies and eats
> babies". It certainly doesn't make me excited to work collaboratively
> with you.
> What I'm trying to do is limit the scope of the discussion to one
> document because the other documents (the guidelines, the role of the
> other groups, the role of the DWG) are separate. That doesn't mean I
> don't care about them, but I was asked by Martijn (OSM US president)
> to do something and that is what I'm doing for now.
> Of course the import guidelines need modification. I agree they need
> radical modification, and I bet if you polled most of the DWG they'd
> say the same thing. But changing that will take more time than "Let's
> throw a web page up talking about this issue directly".
> I've been frustrated because I'm looking for feedback on one thing,
> and the response has had a lot of other issues mixed in. It really
> muddies the waters, which is why I've been saying "Let's stick just to
> this, and only this way"- in order to try to get this done so that we
> could move onto other topics. I just want to avoid taking on too much
> at first and never getting it done. We've gone down that road a few
> times, and I'm trying to learn from past mistakes.
> - Serge
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