[Imports-us] Importing NOAA National Marine Sanctuaries

[Jason Remillard]

Wouldn't this be like a national park boundaries, which we have imported
and do maintain?

On Saturday, September 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote:

> Simply because there's other old and rotting data (county borders, Census
> "places" boundaries, national park boundaries, etc.) in OSM doesn't mean
> that we should add new data that will become old and rot.
>
> Again, if you're interested in showing these boundaries on your company's
> website (http://blueseed.co/faq/#map), I'm happy to help show how that
> can happen. The boundaries will be more accurate and up to date (since
> they're coming from a primary source) and they won't pollute the OSM
> dataset.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Dan Dascalescu (Blueseed) <
> dan at blueseed.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dan at blueseed.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Ian, I'm an OSM volunteer (http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?dandv) and I've
>> submitted updates since 2008 based on my own observations on the ground. I
>> fully support and understand the mission of OSM.
>>
>> Imaginary boundaries, unfortunately, can by definition not be confirmed
>> on the ground. Yet their utility is also quite clear. OSM features county
>> lines and many other administrative boundaries that have no correspondence
>> on the ground, and whose source is almost always external and the sole
>> authority over the boundary.
>>
>> In the particular case of water boundaries, I case see several actual use
>> cases:
>> 1. Marine sanctuaries often don't allow personal watercraft. An OSM user
>> could use the map to stay outside of the boundaries.
>> 2. Zero-discharge areas don't allow activities one would ordinarily
>> consider harmless, such as washing one's sailboat. An OpenSeaMap user could
>> sail outside of the boundary in that case.
>> 3. The display of the NOAA Sanctuaries boundaries on OpenSeaMap (at
>> least, if not also on OpenStreetMaps) can help educate the public on the
>> extent of protected ocean areas. In the particular area we're interested
>> in, nature reserves are already marked on land -
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/37.7637/-122.5903
>>
>> Based on these reasons, I think it would be useful to import the NOAA
>> Marine Sanctuaries data into OSM.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Ian Dees <ian.dees at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ian.dees at gmail.com');>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dan, OpenStreetMap's strength is that volunteers can verify the data by
>>> observing it on the ground. Boundaries imported from external sources,
>>> especially those in the water, are essentially "dead data" that cannot be
>>> improved upon unless the external data source changes the data. That sort
>>> of data isn't very useful to OSM and it's not my opinion that it shouldn't
>>> be in OSM.
>>>
>>
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