[Imports] Inserting OSM data

Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com
Sat Mar 27 18:30:58 GMT 2010

Im just tagging on to this thread for the archives. As it was just sent to
the imports@ list, but not dev@ list,

It attempts to solve the ideas that jaak noted below.

(I was going to respond last week on this thread) ... with 'OpenImportsMap'
.  Perhaps the wiki can be expanded, i added my notes tot he talk page of
it, and  will attempt to incorporate the ideas from this thread also.

It was in response to:
from steveC original post about  Announce: openOS  (Ordinance survey
releasing data)


On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jaak Laineste <jaak at nutiteq.com> wrote:

> > > some kind of priority over the others. Like possibility to
> > > lock/protect some parts of the data. It could be done in several
> levels:
> >
> > > 1) my inserted data (tag, node, relation, way - any of them) can be
> > > defined as private, nobody else can not even see it.
> > > 2) my data is protected - you can see, but not modify
> > > 3) my data has group privacy/protection under my control: I can give
> > > view/ modify / delete permissions to specific users/groups
> >
> > These three are, in my opinion, not compatible with the spirit of OSM.
> > If you want your own data, store it somewhere else ;-)
> There could be quite good reasons to protect some of the data at least
> temporarily. Very technical reason: to avoid accidental deletion of nodes
> during bulk import (which takes days sometimes). Well, maybe bulk import in
> general is not really fully compatible the spirit of OSM after all. What is
> more important purpose of OSM: is it the biggest outdoor mapping capturing
> tool, or does it want to be the world largest and best community-created
> map
> database? If outdoor mapping is the primary aim, then right, the corporate
> imports are not needed, maybe even need to be banned. If the database
> contents and quality the is target, then the imports and database links
> must
> be as plentifyl, good and made contributor friendly as possible. My
> implicit
> assumption was that OSM wants to be as good database as possible, but I
> could also have totally missed the point of OSM. Anyway, my preference is
> that OSM aim is to be as good database as possible, and outdoor mapping is
> just one of the great ways to create and update data.
>  There are good datasources (from public sector) who have 80% of their data
> open and in principle well compatible with OSM, but 20% of them should have
> some protection. Technically splitting the data could be so complicated
> that
> their only option now is not to share anything, i.e. just not to use OSM.
>  I have a particular example: a friend just called me, and he is in board
> of
> national assiocation of museums. They have and maintain kind of official
> database of all museums in the country. They wanted to have them on web
> map,
> and I suggested to use OpenStreetMap, and not only as background image, but
> also insert their data as points to the OSM. This bought me several
> questions:
> - is the only legitimate way to have one-time bulk import, and then just
> hope that community will only improve it? Or could they have a bit more
> special control (external IDs, notifications, soft locking of some tags
> etc)
> over the data, at least to make their data maintenance easier. To enable
> more automatic sync with their in-house data maintenance systems and
> procedures.
> - Today the only way for them is anyway double maintenance: they maintain
> their internal/primary database, and maybe they care to copy their
> day-to-day updates manually also to OSM. Is there a way to make maintenance
> of only their specific data in OSM easy? One complicated solution would be
> to use JOSM+XAPI to make extracts based their own tags. But this is risky,
> you can easily create reduntant data if you do not see the data around each
> node. Also I cannot imagine this type of "once a month" users actually
> using
> hard-core mapping beasts like JOSM, maximum what they could care to learn
> would be somewhere in Potlatch (but without the roads!) / Mapzen level.
> Jaak
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