[Imports] [Talk-us] TriMet will begin OSM improvements in the Portland area

[Serge Wroclawski]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:38 PM, PJ Houser
<stephanie.jean.houser at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> First, let me say that ESRI has been great regarding the OSM Editor. I
> contacted them with our problems, they responded within minutes, and now
> we're working together on determining if our problems are operator-based or
> editor-based.

Tom,

I'm going to remove the cross post in this discussion and keep the
discussion on the imports list, but I have some questions about the
issues you've brought up that maybe you can help me understand.

> We encountered 5 main problems:
>
> 1) Revision table does not explicitly store all changes, especially node
> modifications.
> -using the topology edit tool (with all of the OSM layers taking place in
> the topology)
> -selecting a point (node), moving that item, only indirectly moving the
> edge. The node would move (and move its connected ways along) whether it was
> attached to only one way or to multiple ways.

This is the expected behavior in OSM. A node, when moved, will effect
all ways/relations that have it as a member.

What behavior were you expecting?

(I'll expound on this more later in the mail).

> 4) Performance speed of downloading data - RESOLVED.
> FIX:
> Download speed is intentionally optimized for older machines. Testing never
> went beyond 150MB/s
> DOCUMENTATION:
> Should include expected minutes/MB for download.

Are
>
> 5) Moving ways creates new nodes without deleting old ones. - RESOLVED
> FIX:
> Actually an OSM anomaly resulting from peculiarities of one-layer data
> model. When editing in ArcMap (if we ever decide to do this), good to know
> when it's more efficient to move existing nodes vs creating new ones by
> moving way and deleting existing nodes.
> DOCUMENTATION:
> should mention that line edits won't follow expectations for vector data
> model (points lines polygons)
>
> By the way, our machines run Windows XP and have Intel Core 2 Quad CPU and 4
> GB of RAM. We use ArcMap 10 with SP 1 installed, ArcView license.
>
> Tom, as for your issue, did you give OSM time to update their tiles? For
> some of our edits, we had to wait at least 10 minutes for them to show up at
> openstreetmap.org, and even then, some of the tiles hadn't been updated.
> Otherwise, it sounds like you might be having a similar problem to us. After
> you upload, check the revision table. See if anything is written in it. As
> far as I was able to understand, the revision table should have something in
> it if your changes registered.
>
> I am going to forward this email to our ESRI contact, by the way.
>
> --
> PJ Houser
> Trimet
> GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Tom Ponte <tgis at bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> PJ,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be interested in what kind of “significant  problems” you had with
>> the ArcMap extension if it is not too much trouble. It might save myself and
>> others some time and effort trying to figure out what are operator issues
>> and what are software issues. I have been working with that extension and
>> recently tried to convert some roads to trails and add a boundary for a
>> small BLM wilderness area as a test. The extension said the upload was
>> successful but nothing showed up in OSM.  If you are worried about being
>> exiled to Los Angles for listing the significant problems with the ESRI
>> extension you could email me directly.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be looking forward to seeing your updated workflow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Ponte
>>
>> GIS Analyst
>>
>> 541 419-2113
>>
>> TGIS at BendBroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: PJ Houser [mailto:stephanie.jean.houser at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:30 PM
>> To: Dave Hansen
>> Cc: imports at openstreetmap.org; talk-us at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] TriMet will begin OSM improvements in the
>> Portland area
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave & Talk-US & Imports,
>>
>> We decided against using Trimet in our name since as Richard pointed out,
>> OSM is a collection of individuals. This is us right now. I will let you
>> know if we change our names. Should we include RLIS (the data source) in our
>> user names? We are all using our personal emails, so we have kept everything
>> really informal so far.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PJ%20Houser
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/betsy
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mele%20Sax-Barnett
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Grant Humphries
>>
>> And our workflow is changing a lot since we ran into significant problems
>> with ArcMap OSMEditor, though we are working with ESRI to improve the
>> editor. I hope to send an updated workflow really soon for input! Not many
>> changes to OSM have been done because we are still trying things out.
>>
>> But most importantly, all changes are being done one at a time. Nothing is
>> bulk. Every change is done "by hand". I am doing my best to make sure nobody
>> else's hard work is overwritten or deleted!
>> --
>> PJ Houser
>> Trimet, GIS
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Dave Hansen <dave at sr71.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:28 -0800, PJ Houser wrote:
>> > OSM User Names:  TriMet_PJH, TriMet_MSB, TriMet_GNH, TriMet_BB
>>
>> Hi PJ,
>>
>> I was just looking for your user pages so I could spy on your
>> improvements:
>>
>>        http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TriMet_BB
>>
>> for instance.  Did you end up using some different usernames, or have
>> you just not created them yet?
>>
>> -- Dave
>>
>>
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