[Imports] Import of public transport platforms in Styria (Austria)

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Tue Dec 17 05:36:00 UTC 2013

I've been trying to find some information on this IFOPT reference. What is
not clear to me is whether 2 stops, each on a side of the street get 2
different IFOPT identifiers. What if there is a bus/tram and a metro
station with the same name, do they all share the same IFOPT identifier?

If that's the case, maybe IFOPT should go on the stop_area relation,
instead of the node.


2013/12/17 Jason Remillard <remillard.jason at gmail.com>

> Hi Andreas,
> This all looks good. I have one more request. Could you update the
> public transport wiki pages to include the ref:IFOPT tag. It looks
> like you will be the first person using this tag.
> Thanks
> Jason
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Andreas Uller <a.uller at gmx.at> wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I have taken into account your comments as well as those from the
> talk-transit mailing list (
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/2013-December/001663.htmland answers), so the following has changed since my last message:
> >
> > - No automated import, instead upload all platforms "by hand", so they
> can be checked for plausability and the stop_positions and stop_areas can
> be created right away. This way, one can say afterwards that all public
> transport stops are present in OSM in the way they should be.
> > - The global ID will be kept as ref:IFOPT, an internationally used ID
> for public transport, all other IDs will be dismissed.
> > - The is_in is dropped, instead the village in which the platform is, is
> added as alt_name="Village Name_of_stop".
> >
> > I have made a test run in the city of Bruck an der Mur (chosen because
> some bus stops were already mapped (by different mappers) and some were
> missing) to look for any problems, which I didn't find (Changeset:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19479901).
> >
> > I think this is a good way to improve the data in OSM.
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> >
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. November 2013 um 04:09 Uhr
> > Von: "Andreas Uller" <a.uller at gmx.at>
> > An: imports at openstreetmap.org
> > Betreff: [Imports] Import of public transport platforms in Styria
> (Austria)
> > Dear List,
> >
> > We have received the position of all public transport platforms in the
> Austrian province of Styria from the company responsible for managing
> public transport ("Steirische Verkehrsverbund GmbH").
> >
> > I have put together all information on the following page in the wiki:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/Import_Haltestellen_Steiermark(with all relevant information in German and English).
> >
> > A short outline of the plan:
> > All positions where no platform in a certain area (e.g. 100 m) around
> the available points are present in OSM, would be imported directly into
> OSM, probably using JOSM. All others will have to checked and merged
> manually. This has already been successfully done with an import of all
> doctors in Styria.
> >
> > A downside of the data provided is, that there are some platforms
> included which are no longer used (they were used during a detour of a
> route or the route has been dismissed). However, most of this disused
> platforms will be in the capital city of Graz, where I and other users
> know, which stops are the ones disused, so they can be excluded during the
> manual import (all platforms in Graz should already be mapped, so this area
> can be excluded from an automated import). In the end, there will probably
> only be a handful of disused platforms in the end. On the long run, all bus
> routes should be mapped; then it will be easy to find unused platforms.
> >
> > Also included on the wiki page is a suggestion on how to use the
> provided attributes and turn them into OSM-key/value pairs.
> > Here, a point is unclear to me: There are varoius IDs provided, one is a
> "global, unique" ID for each platform (Europe-wide normed "IFOPT" number).
> Should this be imported to OSM (as ref=* or something different?) in case
> we later receive open timetable or realtime data which needs to be
> connected to the stops? Or are there other ways to match timetable data to
> platforms? These IDs are not visible to anyone standing at the bus stop and
> I have not yet encountered them anywhere else than in that file - from what
> I've read so far this is a strong reason not to include them. However, I
> want to be sure we don't need them later.
> >
> > Any feedback is welcome.
> >
> > Andreas
> >
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