[Imports] Value of imports in general

Johan C osmned at gmail.com
Fri Feb 7 10:39:08 UTC 2014

2014-02-07 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:

> Real newbies won't even realise they are there, so how could it bother
> them.
> Real old hands can make use of them to validate or conveniently download
> data.
> So I fail to understand what the big deal is with associatedStreet
> relations. Contributors are not dumb and incapable of learning.

Well, there is a lot of documentation*  that the associatedStreet relation
is difficult for newbies. And what will (might?) happen is, in the words of

"It is a real possibility that someone signs up, tries to edit there, finds
it a horrible experience, quits, and writes a blog entry about how shit OSM

* https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-be@openstreetmap.org/msg04573.html "The
associatedStreet relation is the best solution from a database design point,
but with the current mappers (non-dba's) and the set of tools we have (both
editors and consumers), it seems more like a useless vehicle that's
difficult to explain and maintain."
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/AddrInterpolation#Notes "it
is still more difficult for humans to deal with relations than street
names, particularly when using editors without the equivalent plugin."
ist einfacher für Mapper associatedStreet-Relation ist einfacher für
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:multipolygon  "Tagging
relations will be talked down because it is too hard for beginners to

> Jo
> 2014-02-07 11:00 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
>> > Am 06/feb/2014 um 22:27 schrieb Johan C <osmned at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > associatedStreet relations on address nodes) in your opinion create a
>> bad experience for a new mapper?
>> if stuff looks too complex it will draw away some people with initial
>> interest in osm, associated street relations are one of these factors that
>> make things more complex.
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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