[Imports] Value of imports in general

Johan C osmned at gmail.com
Fri Feb 7 11:29:59 UTC 2014

Imports are bad when: "In this case, an import cannot happen when there is
no local community to keep it actual."

I could have written the following lines Pieren used two days ago: "When a
country or a municipality is publishing and opening its address database,
it's also not falling from the sky. This data is also the result of
many contributors,
skilled workers, collecting and keeping the data up-to-date (at least,
trying to)."

In The Netherlands we have a law for keeping address and building data up
to date. By that law the entire government (local, provincial and and
country level) are obliged to use and update that single database on a
daily basis. It's also used for addresses when citizens receive financial
support, when the tax authorities deliver mail, when passports are updated
etcetera. Maybe there are more than 1.000 professionals in the Netherlands
working fulltime on keeping this data accurate. I would count that in as
being (a sort of) part of the community. Unfortunately, except for
Nominatim, the current technical structure of OSM does not make it possible
to use that data directly in Mapnik, in the planet downloads etcetera. So
at the moment I'm very glad that already 7 community members (and rising)
in The Netherlands are enthousiastic about importing this data into OSM.

2014-02-07 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:

> OK, the value of imports. There is value in imports as long at it's not a
> mere dump of loads and loads of data we cannot hope maintain as a community.
> What we need is a staging area where available data can be made available,
> ready to be merged in. Then when contributors feel like adding it, they can
> do so object per object with the advantage of being able to compare several
> sources and imagery and what already existed in OSM.
> In this case, an import cannot happen when there is no local community to
> keep it actual.
> Polyglot
> 2014-02-07 11:46 GMT+01:00 Dan S <danstowell+osm at gmail.com>:
> 2014-02-07 Johan C <osmned at gmail.com>:
>> > 2014-02-07 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Real newbies won't even realise they are there, so how could it bother
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> Real old hands can make use of them to validate or conveniently
>> download
>> >> data.
>> >>
>> >> So I fail to understand what the big deal is with associatedStreet
>> >> relations. Contributors are not dumb and incapable of learning.
>> >
>> >
>> > Well, there is a lot of documentation*  that the associatedStreet
>> relation
>> > is difficult for newbies.
>> Maybe we could talk about the value of _imports_? The change of topic
>> to associatedStreet means we're now off-topic for this list, and
>> there's no benefit in opening a second can of worms.
>> Dan
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