[Imports] [HOT] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of UNICEF data?

Severin MENARD severin.menard at gmail.com
Fri Jan 3 15:53:31 UTC 2014


Hi,

Sending this pending message again.

Sincerely,

Severin


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Severin MENARD
<severin.menard at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> > From: Severin MENARD [mailto:severin.menard at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 6:52 AM
>> > Subject: [HOT] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import
>> of
>> UNICEF data?
>> >
>> > Hi Paul,
>> >
>> > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2590517305
>> >
>> > I had a look at this and there are a number of tags which are not in the
>> > Proposal which was consulted on with imports at .
>> >
>> > Please hold off doing any more of these imports until these issues get
>> > Resolved, or the changes are consulted on.
>>
>> > What are these tags? Only the three admin levels? I figured out they
>> > were in the data (We were three people to process the data along the
>> > workflow and seems we missed this) and actually not in what had been
>> > described in the wikipage so I added it a few days ago in the wikipage,
>> > thinking it was not a big deal. The key may be improved though, what do
>> > you think? Otherwise, I also added what had been considered by us from
>> > the beginning after discussion with UNICEF.
>>
>> The issue is that what was done was not what was proposed.
>> http://www.osm.org/user_blocks/425
>> lists a couple of the issues. This list is not necessarily exhaustive.
>> There is also the issue of the fixme, as a new issue that was missed
>> during the consultation before.
>>
> OK let us be constructive and go forward. I will list all the issues I can
> identify. Please add others if you see more, because I guess to be able to
> import again, the issues will have necessarily to be solved exhaustively.
>
> 1. Health Facilities<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_UNICEF_FOSA>
>
>
> The fixme for longitude,latitude was proposed from the first version,
> dated April 5.
>
> Differences I see are:
> * source:UNICEF,2012 is tagged per object. Wold be really interesting to
> have such a tag as a minimum of metadata, but I know that, IMHO
> unfortunately, the trend is to put a source tag to the changeset (good
> idea, but of course only if everything in the changeset comes from the same
> source) and remove any source tag per object (very regretful for the
> metadata by object; means almost any OSM data extract another formats will
> not have any source for the data)
> * typo identified by edvac with _ intead of : . Super easy to change and
> to correct from the data already imported. Just one question: such
> correction on data already on OSM should be done with a OSM import account
> or a normal one?
>
> 2. Education facilities<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_UNICEF_Education>
>  and Water facilities<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_UNICEF_WASH>
>
> The fixme for longitude,latitude was proposed from the first version,
> dated April 5.
>
> Differences I see are:
> * fields "not tagged because not relevant" have been added recently just
> for info. I guess this cannot be an issue as they are not imported
> * admin level 1, 2, 3 informed by UNICEF for each object were not present
> in the proposition. Actually the first imports showed they are really
> interesting for quality check. Is this OK to put them? What should be the
> right key? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level does not
> mention a tag for admin level names.
> * source tag (see above for Health facilities)
>
> 3. Otherwise, regarding edvac_import "lacking changeset tags as described
> in the consultation", after having checked his 6 changesets (see here), I
> see this problem only once. What is the fix for this? Revert te changeset
> and do the upload again with the changeset tags?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
>
>>
>> > This issue reminds me we asked the Import WG where we should publish the
>> > original data so that it could be available for anyone to check during
>> > the validation process, but we did not get an answer.
>>
>> There is not currently an Import WG. You can find a list of working groups
>> at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups
>
> I meant the import list.
>
>>
>>
>> > Is there an official repository? Ideally, it would be one run by the
>> > OSMF, so that we are sure the original data would be always available.
>>
>> I don't think anyone has proposed adding hosting third-party geodata to
>> what the sysadmins manage. I'd be a bit skeptical about adding that to
>> their jobs, but such a discussion is wider than just this import and
>> wouldn't be resolved immediately.
>>
> So let us start such a discussion
>
>
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