[Imports] [Talk-ca] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

James james2432 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 19 20:59:07 UTC 2016

Ok, Christoph now that I am at a proper computer I can address your

*- no link to the source data*

Have you read the background or just skimmed over it? There is a debate
from StatsCan and the City of Ottawa where the building footprints should
be hosted(Ottawa open data portal, StatsCan website, Federal Goverment open
data portal) so until then it will not be available to the public. The
address data file IS available here:
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/addresspoints Which I will add to the

*- no information on what data you actually intend to import*

"The data used for this import is are two datasets cleaned up by the
OSMCanada team one containing building outlines and the other address
Seems descriptive enough to what we are importing to me. Addresses and
Building footprints.

*- no information on attribute and geometry processing*

Under risks and mitigation (
says what will happen if a building exists what to do. Replace geometry
just replaces the way so by definition attributes are copied over.

*- no link to the processed data*

Please see:
there is in *bold:* *Data source site* which tells you where the processed
data can be accessed. Example for buildings (in Metcalfe(which is a part of
and for the addresses:

*And since the introductory paragraph on that page indicates there are
organizations involved in the planning of this (Stats Canada and City of
Ottawa) it would be important to know who of those involved in the import
is acting in a professional capacity for one of these organizations and
what their interest is in the matter.*

I can add points of contact to the documentation

*If this represents the current state of preparation the planned two weeks
time until starting the import seems unrealistic.  You need to complete
your plans and preparation to a point where they can be properly assessed
before you can ask for a review here and then you need to allocate
sufficient time afterwards for people to review and to make adjustments
based on the results.*
If you are just going to skim over documentation, what is the point of
creating it?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:28 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There were a couple of fairly critical dates that happened in the
> background.  The first was Stats Canada wanting to announce they had gone
> live on October 17th that date was internal to them and only finalised very
> late in the day, the other was the Open Data license, we've been working
> with the City of Ottawa and Treasury Board to come up with something that
> was acceptable to OSM, TB did a lot of work on the licence with many
> international organisations following a meeting I was at about four or five
> years ago now where we identified there was a problem.
> Stats Canada did announce a while back what they were looking for and
> local OSM mappers have been adding tags but they wanted to use a customised
> version of iD and there have been some undocumented features turned up in
> the customisation.  So yes it went live October 17th but a week or two
> before they were not 100% certain everything would be in place.
> TB's license is fine and other imports have been done in Canada using it.
> We knew the City of Ottawa was about to change its license to align with
> the TB one, again we've been working with them for the last three years but
> it needed a formal approval and during the summer it wasn't possible to
> find the appropriate people to get it formally passed and until it was
> formally passed we couldn't use their data.  I sensed a feeling of
> frustration in the City of Ottawa by some of their staff.  Plan B was Stats
> would put it up on the TB Open Data portal.
> So yes it has all been planned for some time and there has been a sense of
> what another delay with the local mappers but the data only became
> available under the correct license very recently and I think there was a
> bit of rush to get the import done after all the twiddling of thumbs.
> Cheerio John
> On 19 October 2016 at 14:59, Alan Richards <alarobric at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I like it overall. Nice to see more quality data being added, and I'm
>> personally pretty pro-import generally.
>> However, just from following this list, I was surprised that the import
>> was suddenly being done. I recall seeing messages about the possibility of
>> a project, and it sounded like it was slowly moving forward, but there
>> wasn't a lot of activity. It is clear now that a lot of the discussion was
>> happening offline at local meetups. To me this is fine with an active
>> community like Ottawa has, but perhaps the fact that this was going on
>> should have been shared back to the mailing list to show the progress that
>> was happening. The fact that a tasking manager was actually running and
>> data being imported and verified was quite a surprise, and obviously then
>> led to the unwanted revert.
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM, John Marshall <rps333 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Looks good to me.
>>> I only would add if there are multiple buildings and it is not not clear
>>> what  the correct address are, local survey may be required. Then add a
>>> note like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/741666
>>> John
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:57 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> A comment the data is of high quality and the building outlines are of
>>>> particular interest to the Stats Canada Project where Statistics Canada is
>>>> attempting to crowd source adding tags added to non residential buildings
>>>> within the City of Ottawa and Gatineau.  These include the number of levels
>>>> and the use of the building.  They will be suggesting using a customised iD
>>>> to their general public but given the experience of iD mapping buildings in
>>>> HOT it was thought that importing the building outlines would give a better
>>>> quality map at the end.
>>>> Cheerio John
>>>> On 19 October 2016 at 13:45, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Seems like a good enough time like any other to talk about the import
>>>>> of Ottawa buildings and addresses into OpenStreetMap.
>>>>> Documentation is available here:
>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan
>>>>> Discussion with local mappers has happened in person for multiple
>>>>> months(community buy in is very high in these meetings and we all saw
>>>>> benefit in including this data) :
>>>>> https://www.meetup.com/openstreetmap-ottawa/
>>>>> Once positive discussion of a period of 2 weeks has been met, we would
>>>>> like to start the import of said data.
>>>>> Thank you.
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