[Imports] RFC for City of Basel Suburb Import
Johannes Singler
johannes at singler.name
Fri Dec 29 16:47:50 UTC 2017
Hi folks,
due to conflicts coming in on an hourly basis (due to touching the
borders of Switzerland, Germany and France), I have uploaded the
changeset already, with boundary=administrative for now (for keeping the
change minimal).
We continue the discussion on on tagging and all, I can still easily
change that. The important thing is that the changed segments are in,
as those caused the conflicts in the relations.
Johannes
Am 29.12.2017 um 14:32 schrieb Johannes Singler:
> Hi Rafael,
>
> thanks for your feedback.
>
> Am 29.12.2017 um 06:22 schrieb Rafael Avila Coya:
>> Hi, Johannes:
>>
>> Thank you for this work.
>>
>> I have just small questions about the import.
>>
>> I am not swiss, so I am not going to doubt that suburbs don't have
>> administrative significance, as you say in the wiki. But a bit further
>> down in the wiki you say "We will not import the neighborhoods
>> ("Wohnbezirke"), as some of their names are not familiar to the
>> general public, but seem to exist for administrative statistical
>> purposes only."
>>
>> So my understanding is that neighborhoods have some administrative
>> use, and so I find it a bit strange that suburbs, that are higher
>> level than neighborhoods, don't have any administrative interest (not
>> even statistical).
>
> Both are used for statistical purposes by the administration, the
> suburbs even more so. However, there exist no political institutions
> for suburbs/neighborhoods (at least not consistently), that was the main
> argument on the Swiss mailing list. But maybe we over-interpret the
> term "administrative" here, it does not read "political" after all.
>
> @Simon, what do you think?
> In Bern, we have admin_levels both 9 and 10. Okay, for 9, there exist
> "Quartierkommissionen" as political institutions (except for the inner
> city), but I don't know any political institution for admin_level 10
> (e.g. Breitenrain).
>
>> Also, in the boundary=administrative wiki [1] it gives admin_level=10
>> for neighborhoods in Switzerland, so it might be admin_level=9 or so
>> according to the wiki?
>
> Sure, admin_level=9 would be the perfect fit.
>
>> In case of continuing with that tagging, I guess the suburb segments
>> should have a boundary=suburb tag (they come with no tags in the osm
>> file you share).
>
> True, I forgot that. However, the suburbs share many segments with
> higher-level administrative boundaries, should those then have the tag
> twice, or two semicolon-separated values for the key? One more argument
> for using boundary=administrative, it seems.
>
>> boundary=suburb, as a new tag, should be documented in the OSM wiki,
>> in case it's finally decided to continue with that tagging schema.
>
> Well, it says " All commonly used values according to Taginfo" there,
> and "suburb" is used in other places already. "statistical" would be an
> alternative that is used even more often already.
>
> Overall, the simplest would be to just use boundary=administrative
> instead of boundary/place=suburb.
>
> Another argument against place/boundary=suburb is that the suburbs do
> not appear in address searches, e.g. "Terwijde" does not appear for this
> search:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=oskar%20nedbalhof#map=19/52.10646/5.03946&layers=N
>
>
> Johannes
>
>> Cheers, and have an excellent end of the year,
>>
>> Rafael.
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative
>>
>> On 28/12/17 14:42, Johannes Singler wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> after discussing this on the Swiss OSM mailing list (talk-ch), I
>>> hereby announce the import of the suburbs of the city of Basel in
>>> Switzerland.
>>> The one-time import is manual and comprises 19 suburbs. It touches
>>> three country borders, though.
>>>
>>> The import wiki page can be found here:
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/City_of_Basel_Suburb_Import>
>>>
>>> I'm a local mapper living in the area.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your comments,
>>> Johannes
>>>
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