[Imports] Facebook's AI-Assisted Road Tracing for OSM
Christoph Hormann
osm at imagico.de
Wed Mar 15 09:28:23 UTC 2017
First of all thanks for finally starting discussion of this in the
proper channels now.
Here my initial questions and comments in rough order of priority with
the most important ones first:
* Where is the data to be imported? The OpenStreetMap project is
founded on the idea of openness and for the import consultation process
to work properly we need to be able to look at either the data to be
imported or the process to generate this data in full. There cannot be
a carte blanche to import data that has not been scrutinized by the
community and that is generated using a proprietary process.
Side note: Because the data is not available in full at the moment i
will refrain from commenting on this just based on the small sample you
attached which might or might not be representative for the whole
country and for which it is unclear to what extent manual editing has
already been applied.
* Who is doing the import? What experience do these people have in OSM?
The wiki page lists a number of import accounts but none of these
reference a normal non-import mapping account. Mapping experience in
OSM is generally of great importance for being able to properly do an
import so this would be important to know. Also it has otherwise
always been common practice in OSM for corporate mappers to show up
with their real names - you would probably be well advised to follow
this practice. You could take the Mapbox approach as an example here
[1].
* Why don't you make the images used available for manual mapping? Yes,
i know you currently don't have the license for that but i am pretty
sure DG would be happy to sell you a license. It is not really
convincing in my eyes that the effort you put into automatic extraction
of roads is actually cheaper than such a license, especially given that
the images would allow mapping a lot more than just roads. In other
words: For the OSM community imagery contributions would be much more
valuable than what you propose here so you need to expect a significant
uphill battle if you want to import but not provide the imagery.
* Do you, and if yes how do you make sure the roads you import are
compatible with what has been mapped in OSM otherwise (like for example
roads not crossing buildings, water areas etc.)
* How do you deal with clouds in imagery? (No, DG +Vivid imagery is not
cloud free [2])
* Are there any other data sources used to generate the roads other than
DigitalGlobe imagery and OSM data?
One important remark mainly for others participating in discussion here:
The quality of imagery available in the Bing and Mapbox imagery layers
is in significant parts not the best that is openly available for
Thailand. Although open data imagery is usually not suited for mapping
smaller roads, especially in densely vegetated areas, many of the
samples shown of poor Bing imagery in context of this import plan are
misleading in that regard because they show very old imagery far below
today's base quality level openly available. Providing up-to-date open
data imagery for Thailand would be a fairly useful limited cost effort
to improve the basis for manual mapping in Thailand.
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapbox
[2]
https://dg-cms-uploads-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/document/file/2/DG_Basemap_Vivid_DS_1.pdf
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Christoph Hormann
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