[Imports] Bus stop import in Raleigh area of North Carolina, USA

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Mon May 6 17:39:39 UTC 2019

Or you can give the routing helper from JOSM's PT_Assistant plugin a try.
It splits the ways automatically. The user still needs to indicate where
the buses turn though. It's not fully automated.

What I do, before using the routing helper, is to create route relations
which contain all the stops in the correct order. What you need to do
yourself, is add the first and the last way adjacent to a stop. It does
help to add a few in the middle of the itinerary as well.


On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 5:34 PM Nate Wessel <bike756 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The map matching is an interesting idea: I think OSRM can return a list of
> OSM node_id's from a matched route and it should be able to handle one-ways
> fairly well, giving you the 2+ distinct directions for PTV2 tagging. You
> would just have to work backwards from the node_id's up to the way_id's to
> build a relation of ways. The big obstacle I see to this is that often
> highway ways need to be split strategically where routes turn, end etc.
> Still, just building relations from whole ways could be a good starting
> point for a big network import. Adding ordered stops to the route relations
> would be easy conceptually, but any splitting of the ways would need to be
> done manually.
> Cheers,
> Nate Wessel
> Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning
> NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com>
> On 5/6/19 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Since bus routes are relations, you could use the lines as an overlay and
> create the relations based upon that, but you’d have to be sure the lines
> are accurate. What I go by to create routes is the authoritative bus map of
> the agency. Example: official map
> http://www.rideuta.com/-/media/Files/Rider-Tools/Route-Schedules/2018/December/006schedule_Dec2018.ashx and
> OSM relation
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8338140#map=14/40.7719/-111.8711
> (While I was looking this up I noticed that someone had gone in and
> renamed all the routes to no longer match the official bus route names..)
> Martijn
> On May 5, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Leif Rasmussen <354lbr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I’m curious about your thoughts on potentially adding bus routes
> automatically?
> We are not sure, but the gtfs files we're using have the shapes of the
> routes as lines.  It is likely we'll end up manually adding routes, since
> automation would create some issues sometimes.
> Mapbox map matching might be helpful here, but we haven't looked into it
> yet.  We are focusing on the bus stops now.
> Thanks,
> Leif
> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 9:37 AM Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org> wrote:
>> Hi Leif,
>> I’m curious about your thoughts on potentially adding bus routes
>> automatically? I’ve been chipping away at adding bus routes in my area
>> manually and it takes quite a bit of time and attention to detail. I am
>> having trouble envisioning how that could be automated.
>> (In case anyone wants to help or check progress:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Utah/Transit#Utah_Transit_Authority_.28UTA.29
>> )
>> Martijn
>> On May 3, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Leif Rasmussen <354lbr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>> After completing the buildings import in Raleigh, NC, we are moving on to
>> the bus stops.  We have set up a Tasking Manager project, so importing
>> should be ready to start once all comments have been addressed.
>> * Size of import: Fewer than 2796 bus stops (many have already been added
>> to OSM, and will be updated rather than deleted and replaced).
>> * Tasking Manager project: https://tasks.openstreetmap.us/project/120
>> * Wiki page:
>> https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Research_Triangle_NC_Transit_Import
>> * Start time: Sometime in May, 2019
>> Here is the file of bus stops we plan on importing:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SbcWF8U8vzJGRg7cWWCBfgTy9X4n-hCB  --
>> We will manually adjust and improve the locations of bus stops before
>> importing, since that seemed to be the largest issue (some stops were up to
>> 10 meters away from the actual location of the stop).
>> We will start sometime later this month if no issues are raised.  After
>> the import is finished, we will likely attempt adding bus routes, either
>> automatically or manually.  We will send another email to this list before
>> importing any routes, however, since that is a separate import.
>> Thanks,
>> Leif Rasmussen
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