[Imports] Spanish mountain ranges import.

[Christoph Hormann]

On Sunday 07 February 2021, Sergio Quintero wrote:
>
>  Ok, so you say that my import proposal is non-verifiable in OSM
> terms and shouldn't be allowed, right?

No, there is no requirement for imports to be allowed by anyone in OSM, 
only the requirement to discuss.

We can only provide advice and suggestions, we cannot in any 
way 'forbid' or 'disallow' an import that has consensus support from 
the local community.  I am deeply convinced that in cases a sustained 
disagreement of this form exists that means either the local community 
is right (which is always possible) or that they need to make the 
mistake and learn from it.

> But at the same time, you 
> aren't offering any argument to sustent your position other that "I
> seem to have a very fundamental misunderstanding about the concept of
> verifiability in OSM", while on the other hand, you admit in other
> email that you didn't even bother in reading my proposal, am I right?

I said i have not looked at the data, i have not said i did not read 
your import proposal.

My impression that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about 
the concept of verifiability in OSM is primarily based on you writing:

"[...] it's in all respects and definitely official data, and therefore, 
the names of the Sierras that appear in our DB are unquestionably and 
by definition, their actual and real names."

My comment is not a statement of fact, therefore i cannot really support 
it with arguments, i can only tell you how i got the impression (as i 
did).

Somewhat off-topic here - but i would like to point to what i have 
stated in previous discussion w.r.t. the following comment:

> [...] But rejecting the use of official
> maps as a valid method of veryfiyng our data equals to say that the
> Spanish National Geographic Institute, all the regional Geographic
> Institutes and all the maps, books and all sources of information we
> have been using in Spain for at least the last 50 years is wrong. And
> nobody think so, isn't it?

"Verifiability is also not to be confused with Verificationism, which 
rejects non-verifiable statements as not meaningful. OpenStreetMap does 
not pass judgement on the value of non-verifiable data by excluding it 
from its scope. It just says this kind of data the project cannot 
include in its database because it cannot be maintained under the 
project’s paradigm. The viability of OpenStreetMap as a project depends 
on it limiting its scope to verifiable statements."

For context:

http://blog.imagico.de/verifiability-and-the-wikipediarization-of-openstreetmap/


-- 
Christoph Hormann
https://www.imagico.de/