[Imports] Florida Landuse Import

[Brian May]

So in 7 days time you are going from an announcement on 2/19/2022 on 
Slack saying "hey I found this great data, what do you think about 
importing it" to "is it OK to start now, everything clear?" on 2/26/2022 
to do a massive land cover import covering a large state? You didn't say 
anything on the mailing list until 2/22/2022. So 4 days after most 
people interested in imports ever heard about it you are ready to go?

You ask the question on the main communication channel for imports 
(disregarding imports-us) whether its OK to start and over on Slack in 
the local-florida channel in the single thread about the issue started 
now 8 days ago you state that you already started. Seriously?

You didn't address any of my concerns and I have. I have lived in FL my 
whole life, have put massive amounts of effort into OSM in this state 
over the past 11+ years, etc, etc.

It took me a few minutes, but all I know about you is you are 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Hiausirg and you have been mapping in 
OSM since 3/4/2021. I gather you are based in Europe based on the times 
you are communicating. Red flag for a massive import in another country.

What import experience do you have? What are your goals with this 
project in Florida? I wouldn't dream of popping up on a mailing list and 
and seven days after announcing my great data find and import idea, 
start importing land cover for say all of Portugal (which is smaller 
than Florida).

Reading over some of your responses to questions posed:

- You dismissed maxolasersquad as "I don't think it's a good idea to 
give people who add 5 POIS in their city once a month such a 
responsibility, just because they're locals." You obviously don't know 
who he is either. Very long time contributor to massive amounts of edits 
in Florida - way more than a local adding a few pois a month. Red flag.

- You responded to one comment I had:

Me: "and when you get into urban areas especially, my gut feeling is 
just don't do it."

You: The data quality and it's potential is too good to "just don't do 
it". I will take more detailed looks at city centres/areas around them 
and look for problems. I mean, from what i've seen, the data is not 100% 
correct, but 99%. And thats a veery good value for landuse data, 
especially if you compare it against existing landuses. (Don't want to 
offend landuse mappers)

Well, my first thought is OK, a few breezy comments and you're done? I 
have no idea what your background is, if you are a GIS professional or 
not, etc, but there are a lot of land use vs land cover issues and 
decisions to make and many times its locally / regionally oriented. And 
there's a lot of issues with the cross-walking codes between the land 
cover and OSM tags, etc. You addresses some of those, but your comments 
mostly appear to be, "well I think its good, so..." And now at day 7 
after the initial announcement you found something great - I'm starting 
now. Red flag. This is no how imports are supposed to go.

Did you address Frederik Ramm's concerns? Do you know who he is and his 
background?

This should be cross posted to imports-us and the main threads on import-us.

My vote is no, you can't start yet.

Like I said in my initial comment, I've got a lot of thoughts on this, 
there's lots of issues and I'm willing to help (as are many others), but 
if you just started blanketing the state with this import after a few 
days of input and most of your responses to questions and issues are 
dismissive then I'm going to do all I can to help block this and I would 
imagine many others will step up and do the same. Again, this is not how 
imports are supposed to be run. Here are the guidelines: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

Brian May aka grouper

On 2/26/2022 2:14 AM, Hiausirg wrote:
> Is there anything else to be clarified, or can I start uploading?
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