[Imports] Conflation of London Cycle Infrastructure Database

[Andy Townsend]

Hello Ed,

Andy from OSM's Data Working Group here.  We've received a couple of 
complaints about edits that appear to be related to this import.  I am 
assuming that https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/122632581 et al 
are changes associated with this import, based on the source used in the 
changeset.

Based on that, this work seems to have gone ahead without any attempt to 
follow https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines 
.  Based on what I can read at 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15976978 , 
the work performed so far doesn't seem to be of very poor quality in 
that it appears to be based on out-of-date information and the people 
performing the work appear to lack the necessary skills to even know 
that they are not using up-to-date information.

First things first, please ensure that the "activity organiser" parts of 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines are 
followed (including creating a page linked to from 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities - I see 
nothing at all mentioning "Sweco" there).

You must also include "the accounts of participating persons that wish 
to be identified, with any details they wish to include". Each OSM 
account used must update their profile to link to the activities that 
they are involved in.  To see examples of what other companies do see 
the other entries at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities - there 
are lots of them.

A key part of 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines is 
"Communication with the community".  This doesn't seem to have happened 
in any meaningful sense - there has been no reply to the questions asked 
of 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-london/2022-June/000214.html 
, for example.

I would suggest the thread that started at 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-May/thread.html#29024 
is the best way to discuss with the rest of the community. 
talk-gb-london is a pretty low-volume list and many people with a view 
on this import will not be subscribed.

We (the DWG) will take advice from people familiar with the areas 
affected to decide whether a revert of the data imported so far is the 
best way forward, but separately to that you need to do the other things 
that you have so far failed to do, and (it would appear from changeset 
comments) upskill your staff somewhat so that they are more familiar 
with editing OSM.

Best Regards,

Andy (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse).


On 14/06/2022 17:20, Whittaker, Ed via Imports wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are looking to import assets from the Transport for London's (TfL) Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID). Our plan is outlined on the wiki:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database
>
> The data is open source and we have obtained permission from the OSMF Licensing Working Group and prepared the files for import, which can be reviewed here:
> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/#17/51.51137/-0.10498
>
> The proposed attribute conversion has been released and undergone public consultation:
> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/
>
> The import is also being discussed in the OSM London mailing list:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb-london
>
> Any feedback would be much appreciated,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Whittaker
> Senior Transport Planner
> Sweco UK Limited | Solihull
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