[Imports] US - HIDFL (DHS) Hospital Import

[William Edmisten]

Hello! Apologies for the confusion.

I hope to distinguish two different projects which I may have conflated in
my initial Wiki page: 1) using HIFDL Hospitals as reference material, but
not primary source, to find missing hospitals in OSM and 2) the actual
import of the HIFDL Hospitals dataset, which would rely on HIFDL as the
primary source rather than as reference.

For this reason, I've moved the wiki page on my progress of 1) to my own
page [0].

I do not believe 1) constitutes an import, because it is only using the
dataset as reference to find missing POIs, but using objectively verifiable
sources (each hospitals' website), similar to the workflow of many
"armchair" mappers. I believe this is a widely accepted practice in the OSM
community.

For this same reason, I am not using an import account.

This also addresses the concern about duplicate entries, because I am
manually de-duplicating them with the latest correct entry (as determined
from the hospital website), rather than relying on a program to
intelligently sort out duplication within the dataset or with OSM.

To the point on VAL_DATE, I believe checking the hospital website mitigates
this issue also.

In the case mentioned above, I used this news article [1] announcing the
hospital closure as my primary source. As you said, there is now a new
owner, which can also be verified from their website [2]. I will make sure
to check for new owners with this approach going forward.

Hope this clarifies things,

Best,

William Edmisten (wcedmisten)

[0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Wcedmisten/HIFLD
[1]:
https://www.denver7.com/news/investigations/clear-view-investigation/colorado-shuts-down-clear-view-behavioral-health-monday-will-seek-to-revoke-license-permanently
[2]: https://johnstownheights.com

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 3:01 PM Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Matt!
>
> Thanks for joining the conversation.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:15 PM Matthew Whilden <matthew.whilden at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Could you expand on why you think the process currently being followed
>> counts as an import?
>>
> I am not sure what the process is after having read the wiki page for this
> activity (other than how the fields in the HIFLD dataset are going to be
> translated to OSM tags) .[0]
> 1) William's original email said "I am writing to propose an import..."
> 2) The wiki page he cites in his email states "The purpose of this page is
> to document the import of the data in the Public Health category of the
> HIFLD"[0]
> 3) William has added this activity to the "Import Catalogue" on the OSM
> wiki[1] (perhaps at my suggestion - but if it isn't an import, it probably
> should not be added to that page)
>
> Regardless of whether this is an import or not, we should be very careful
> when using this data because of the potential quality issues cited in my
> first email.  Smaller facilities may be located in buildings that are not
> obviously hospitals, and per the example I cited (and the wiki entry for
> this activity), facilities are purchased, or otherwise change their names
> quite frequently.
>
>
>> He's reviewing each item and editing in the same way a MapRoulette mapper
>> given a list of websites and lat/long coordinates would.
>>
> That is not stated in the wiki page for this activity.
>
> Mike
>
> [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIFLD/Public_Health
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue
>
>
>
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