[OSM-legal-talk] Substantial meaning
Iván Sánchez Ortega
ivan at sanchezortega.es
Thu Apr 23 21:42:10 BST 2009
El Jueves, 23 de Abril de 2009, SteveC escribió:
> Basically, what do we feel substantial means when someone takes some
> part of the data? How much is 'substantial'? [...]
> We're not looking for a legal opinion [...] rather, what do we think it
My personal point of view is:
If the extraction needs an automated tool, then it is substantial. If the data
can be extracted without automated tools, in a reasonable amount of time
(~5-15 minutes), then it is not substantial.
Example: running osmosis to extract data intersecting a polygon (e.g. a
country or province) is substantial. Filtering out all amenity=pub in a bbox
is substantial if you do it using software for just that (e.g. all pubs in a
country). Converting a super-relation into a big linestring by
cross-referencing 100s of way and node IDs is substantial.
On the other hand, picking up a tag value for a given node (e.g. the name of
the pub with id# 1234567) is not substantial: I don't need any special tools
for that (just peer through the XML). Filtering out all amenity=pub in a
small area is not substantial (e.g. all pubs in a 100m x 100m bbox - again,
just peer through the XML with *any* text editor and Ctrl+F)
Moreover, I don't think the API is a specific tool for anything - it's a
technical artifact needed. I don't think that any single way, node, relation,
changeset or bbox is substantial.
I don't think that the size of the bbox matters - even the planet is a mere
technical artifact. I think that the extraction is done the moment you apply
a *specific* and/or *specialized* software tool to a bbox or to a planet
Iván Sánchez Ortega <ivan at sanchezortega.es>
You will remember, Watson, how the dreadful business of the
Abernetty family was first brought to my notice by the depth which the
parsley had sunk into the butter upon a hot day.
-- Sherlock Holmes
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