[OSM-legal-talk] [Spam] Re: License Telephone Debate

[SteveC]

On 12 Mar 2009, at 02:19, Peter Miller wrote:

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> On 12 Mar 2009, at 08:55, Nick Black wrote:
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>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Frederik Ramm  
>> <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> SteveC wrote:
>> > In the past couple of license working group meetings we've been  
>> trying
>> > to figure out how to get more input from the community on  
>> everything
>> > without descending in to a free-for-all.
>>
>>
>> For a second day in a row you're jumping straight in with abject  
>> criticism of a process put in place by people working to help the  
>> whole community - you included.  If you are that concerned about  
>> this, why not suggest a way to make this work better?  Why not  
>> offer to translate for any German speakers who would like to take  
>> part if the call was only in English?
>>
>> I've always felt that you were completely aligned behind the aims  
>> of OSM - we can disagree, but at the end of the day we're all here  
>> for the same reason.  Right now, its really hard to find anything  
>> positive or constructive in your ongoing bombardment of these lists.
>>
>>
> I do agree Frederik has possibly over-reacted on this one, but  
> equally I think it would have been helpful for Steve to have  
> acknowledged the good work that has been going on on this list and  
> on the wiki in his absence.

I hereby acknowledge the good work.

It's time for you to stop thinking that the license working group is  
just Steve. We as a group will put out a statement if you want.

> Equally I think SteveC is behaving pretty strangely around this. He  
> should put the 'evil' thing aside and get stuck into the process -  
> he must know answers to some of the questions we are raising, why  
> does he leave us trying to work it all out again?

When you stop making ridiculous assertions that I 'must know' things  
instead of asking me something, I'll stop having a sense of humour  
about all the attacks.

> In response to one of Frederik's questions I do know that the Use  
> Cases and Open Issues pages are being used by the working group  
> because I have read the minutes. I hope that is not about to change.  
> Incidentally no one from the licensing group has ever edited the  
> 'Open Issues' page or the 'Use Cases' pages - why not?

I personally thought you were doing a great job of that.

> The voice call idea might work, however I would ask the working  
> group to provide any answers they  already have to questions on the  
> Open Issues page before the event so that we don't waste time and  
> also ask you to be sensitive to Frederik's observation that voice  
> calls make it much harder for non-native speakers and are therefore  
> the 'last choice' for an international project such as this,

I think Grant answered this, we sent off all the questions to legal.

Best

Steve