[OSM-legal-talk] using OSM on TV

[visiontv at petml.com]

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:02 +0200, "Richard Weait" <richard at weait.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:36 AM,  <visiontv at petml.com> wrote:
> > I'm trying to determine what is required of my company with regard to
> > the on-air broadcast of OSM data. I sell a product used in TV news. Part
> > of my product consists of maps. Sometimes my maps use OSM data. Not
> > always, in fact most clients are not using OSM data. Either way, for the
> > ones that do I need to know what is required. I can't seem to find the
> > requirements by searching the archives or reading the website. I see
> > lots of opinions and suggestions but no hard decisions. I will be adding
> > an OSM link in my application's "acknowledgments" section stating this
> > app may make use of OSM data, a link to the web site, etc. However, I
> > simply can't guarantee that my customers will attribute OSM during the
> > broadcast. Furthermore, I don't see anywhere that describes exactly what
> > my obligations are. Like I said previously, lots of opinions and
> > suggestions but no hard requirement. Seems like there is a lot of wiggle
> > room if someone simply did not want to attribute OSM in any way.
> >
> > Can someone comment and/or correct me if I'm wrong? Can anyone
> > definitively state what is required with respect to OSM attribution for
> > use in a TV broadcast?
> >
> > I will be doing the following:
> > * letting my customers know we use OSM data
> > * added the usual OSM acknowledgment in my application
> > * add some sort of acknowledgment on my website that my application may
> > make use of OSM data
> 
> OpenStreetMap does not have concrete guidance for you yet.  I wish
> that we did.  Please consider
> 
> "Such credit may be implemented in any reasonable manner; provided,
> however, that in the case of a Derivative Work or Collective Work, at
> a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable
> authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as
> such other comparable authorship credit"
> 
> So, if you or the broadcaster add a watermark to the video, and
> OpenStreetMap and cc watermark should be added.  This is best because
> the attribution and license will stay with the clip if it is removed
> from the rest of the broadcast.  By all rights this clip should be
> permitted to be removed from the broadcast and distributed further as
> ccbysa.
> 
> Less desirable, because it loses immediacy and could be separated from
> the work, would be a credit roll at the show end. Again, let
> reasonable and similar prominence be your guide. If you get XL font
> size and n seconds on screen, so does OSM / CC so something like:
> 
> Map segment by
> Vision TV (c) 2010
> 
> Maps and data
> ccbysa OpenStreetMap
> and contributors
> 
> I like the idea of OSM maps used in broadcasts.  Thanks for
> recognizing that the OSM and CC attribution are your obligation.
> 
> The license extract quoted above is from the text of ccbysa, section
> 4c http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode
> 
> "If you distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly
> digitally perform the Work or any Derivative Works or Collective
> Works, You must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and
> give the Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means You
> are utilizing by conveying the name (or pseudonym if applicable) of
> the Original Author if supplied; the title of the Work if supplied; to
> the extent reasonably practicable, the Uniform Resource Identifier, if
> any, that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work, unless
> such URI does not refer to the copyright notice or licensing
> information for the Work; and in the case of a Derivative Work, a
> credit identifying the use of the Work in the Derivative Work (e.g.,
> "French translation of the Work by Original Author," or "Screenplay
> based on original Work by Original Author"). Such credit may be
> implemented in any reasonable manner; provided, however, that in the
> case of a Derivative Work or Collective Work, at a minimum such credit
> will appear where any other comparable authorship credit appears and
> in a manner at least as prominent as such other comparable authorship
> credit. "
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Thank you Richard. I appreciate you taking the time out to respond.
There are a lot of companies that have public facing products (TV for
example) like mine which are in need of guidance. This does help. I'm
sure this post will help others in the future. 

I would encourage the person(s) responsible for OSM licensing in the
future to be as specific as possible when it comes to broadcast mediums
such as TV and smartphones.

Thanks everyone. I believe I have a clear path now. 

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