[OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Jaakko,

I appreciate your appeal.  In looking through the data it appears a
lot of it has sense been field server.  Since the original mapper
traced the data from imagery.  It seems kind of silly for that to
cause the data to be deleted.

I moved this over to the license working group list because it would
be a better way to get clarification.

So in Haiti there are all the roads that were added from imagery.
Since then a lot of field surveying has happened, which added many
attributes to the data.  How can the original person contributing to
the nodes still have to agree to the CT?  Seems a bit unfortunate.

I suppose if really necessary the geometries could be remapped, but
seems like a lot of hopefully needless work.

-Kate

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com
<jaakko at helleranta.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> This may well be my first post to the talk list so let me very briefly
> introduce myself.
> I started mapping with OSM beginning of 2008 as what I'd say mostly a
> "vacation/travel mapper" + mapping some home corners -- that is, until the
> earth quake in Haiti last year.
> The quake spiked my interest to OSM and was part of the reason why I ended
> up moving here last September (working on something else but using a good
> chunk of my time on OSM).
> But to go to the point:
> Browsing a little with the new license status option of Potlatch 2.2 I'm
> seeing unfortunately lot of red on the map (and some orange, too).
> So what?
> As I suggest in the subject line: I'd really love us not to punish the
> world's disadvantaged with our license/CT disagreements.
> The thing is that what many have reported and what I've seen first hand OSM
> has made and keeps on making a clearly positive difference not only in
> crisis response but also in peoples' everyday lives for growing numbers of
> people especially in countries like Haiti.
> While I fully respect everybody's decision to do (including allow not to do)
> what ever they want with their contributions I want to raise a
> thought/question (in case no one has before) that it would be an awful shame
> if we'd have to trash as much data from OSM, the _only_ good map of Haiti!,
> as the coloring of the map implies, eih?
> So, two things:
> 1) I want to ask if it's possible to allow (and then persuade! :) users that
> have declined to the license / CTs as well as those that are still undecided
> and are leaning to not allowing to allow OSM to continue using their data
> for specific areas (without them having to "fully accept" the change)?
> I'm thinking humanitarian crisis areas but this could be extended in
> whatever ways.
> But to make my real point clear I want to re-articulate my thought:
> This is, in some areas, a clear humanitarian issue and can be a matter of
> life or death (as it has been in Haiti - and a number of other areas).
> 2) Big thanks to Ed Loach for the idea of contacting the undecided and Don
> Campbell for keeping the thread floating (which is only when it really sunk
> to my head). I'll definitely use this to try to persuade some decliners (but
> only after I hopefully hear thoughts to the 1st point) ... and hope that we
> have enough time to do this before any purging of data begins!
> To conclude my post I want to warmly and deeply thank _everyone_ (regardless
> of what you think of the license issue / CTs) who has been contributing to
> OSM and creating this incredible project -- and changing the world while at
> it! I've talked with so many people that have absolutely amazed and
> incredibly thankful for the OSM community contribution in Haiti that I've
> lost track a long ago. Most heart-warming have been those that have had a
> more direct and "crucial" benefit from OSM (as in soon after the quake) but
> there have been so many others ranging from business owners who can to
> private people who can -- first time ever -- to give perfect directions to
> exactly where they are; and all other kinds. It's really uplifting.
> And that in mind, please let's not allow minor -- or even major! --
> differences in our opinions to harm the thing that I understand really at
> the bottom of things unites us: the desire will to create an (as) Open (as
> possible) map of the world.
> Cheers from Haiti,
> -Jaakko
> http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh
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