[OSM-legal-talk] Effect of Remapping on Contributor TermsAcceptance (Numbers!)

Sun Sep 25 15:50:43 BST 2011

Gert  is naturally correct, but we all know the jokes about statistics.

I would have, in the same grain, used the highway objects to illustrate 
my point better. Particularly considering that the "no" node count is 
very high at least partially due to some very large imports where we 
already know that at least one will be replaced by more current data 
(ABS2006), just as I suspect that a large part of the imports by mapper 
argrath can be replaced just as easily by the Japanese community.

As I pointed out in my original mail: we haven't started remapping in 
earnest in the problematic countries, for example Germany , simply 
because in makes sense to reach out to mappers that haven't reacted yet 
first. In other countries, for example Ireland, we already have so high 
acceptance rates that it is actually less work to remap the remaining 
missing data than expend further effort in getting in contact with a 
couple of missing mappers (I expect Ireland to show 100% in all 
categories soon).

Simon

Am 25.09.2011 15:16, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
>
> Simon,
>
> _Please respect the mailing list charter_. You may
>
> contest my irony, but refrain from qualifications as "silly"
>
> If you don't agree, you may say so in normal words.
>
> We know all that extrapolations are not reality, but
>
> your numbers _do_ suggest conclusions like mine.
>
> Again, without Irony this time....
>
> (Limited to nodes only for sake of comprehension: )
>
> Simple calculus suggests that 208'518/ 32'505'411is only 0.64% of the 
> NO-voted
>
> data, and simple calculus suggests that it takes 155 quarters to fix 
> that in this pace.
>
> If the CT-unknown-voters may in the end all be convinced to CT-yes-voters
>
> that will solve only 25'315'574/32'505'411 = 43% of the
>
> whole non-compliant data set (again, nodes only).
>
> Interesting is data also to notice that 288 single CT-NO-voters have 
> contributed
>
> approximately 128%  amount of node data as the 60K  CT-unknown-voters 
> all together.
>
> (other data approximately equal).
>
> I am really curious to what kind of math you have resource to in order
>
> to qualify this pace as "quite noticeable" and how your math
>
>  resolve all of this in roughly 2 years without effort.....
>
> And has anyone come up with a campaign yet to fix all this ?
>
> How Simon , do you intend to increase the re-mapping from
>
> 0.64% to for example 10%  ( 20-fold) , and it will still take
>
> the community 2 ½ year then.
>
> And for contacting 60K mappers, will the community
>
> just ignore their opinion and declare them CT-compliant
>
> by default ? Or will their data be deleted after 2 ½ years ?
>
> Hey OSMF, we need steering here !!!!!
>
> Gert
>
> *Van:*Simon Poole [mailto:simon at poole.ch]
> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 24 september 2011 16:52
> *Aan:* legal-talk at openstreetmap.org
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Effect of Remapping on Contributor 
> TermsAcceptance (Numbers!)
>
>
> The numbers -only- show the effect of remapping, currently the far 
> larger effect is acceptance of the CTs by mappers who haven't done 
> that up to now. Around 0.1 to 0.2 % per month (depending on the object 
> category). In other words, using just as silly extrapolations as you 
> do, we would have 100% of everything anyway in roughly two years if we 
> simply just let things carry on as they are now (which is not the 
> intention).
>
> Simon
>
> Am 24.09.2011 16:29, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert 
> Gremmen:
>
> <irony ON>
>
> It seems as if the community is not that motivated
>
> to re-map  all those evil CC-BY-SA data  that
>
> sneeked into into the future OdBL fork.
>
> In this pace we need more then 7 years to fix it.
>
> Common CT-OSM members, start mapping all
>
> that misleading non-CT data ! Someone
>
> may use it in a routeplanner and drive
>
> by accident  into a CC-BY-SA road, and
>
> who knows what happens then.
>
> <irony OFF>
>
> Gert
>
> *Van:*Simon Poole [mailto:simon at poole.ch]
> *Verzonden:* Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:56 AM
> *Aan:* Licensing and other legal discussions.
> *Onderwerp:* [OSM-legal-talk] Affect of Remapping on Contributor 
> TermsAcceptance (Numbers!)
>
>
> [Apologies in advance for the HTML formatting]
>
> As you may have noticed, the sysadmins were kind enough to generate a 
> new full history dump over the last couple of days. Besides generating 
> new numbers for odbl.poole.ch (which will take some time for the full 
> set), I was mainly interested in seeing how large the effect of 
> (intentional or not) remapping has been over the last three months.
>
> As can be seen from the following numbers, while the effect is not 
> particularly large (nobody has really called for aggressive remapping 
> yet) it is quite noticeable.
>
> SImon
>
>
>
> 	
>
> No
>
> 	
> 	
> 	
>
> Unknown
>
> 	
> 	
> 	
>
> *Total Diff*
>
> 	
>
> 	
>
> 2011-06-19
>
> 	
>
> 2011-09-19
>
> 	
>
> Diff
>
> 	
>
> 2011-06-19
>
> 	
>
> 2011-09-19
>
> 	
>
> Diff
>
> 	
> 	
>
> Nodes
>
> 	
>
> 32'505'411
>
> 	
>
> 32'296'893
>
> 	
>
> -208'518
>
> 	
>
> 25'315'574
>
> 	
>
> 23'618'704
>
> 	
>
> -1'696'870
>
> 	
>
> -1'905'388
>
> 	
>
> -3.30 %
>
> Highways
>
> 	
>
> 777'070
>
> 	
>
> 764'439
>
> 	
>
> -12'631
>
> 	
>
> 1'703'211
>
> 	
>
> 1'668'481
>
> 	
>
> -34'730
>
> 	
>
> -47'361
>
> 	
>
> -1.91 %
>
> Other Ways
>
> 	
>
> 1'245'547
>
> 	
>
> 1'233'705
>
> 	
>
> -11'842
>
> 	
>
> 702'679
>
> 	
>
> 659'473
>
> 	
>
> -43'206
>
> 	
>
> -55'048
>
> 	
>
> -2.83 %
>
> Routes
>
> 	
>
> 4'208
>
> 	
>
> 4'047
>
> 	
>
> -161
>
> 	
>
> 3'112
>
> 	
>
> 3'078
>
> 	
>
> -34
>
> 	
>
> -195
>
> 	
>
> -2.66 %
>
> Other Relations
>
> 	
>
> 45'957
>
> 	
>
> 45'635
>
> 	
>
> -322
>
> 	
>
> 10'007
>
> 	
>
> 9'724
>
> 	
>
> -284
>
> 	
>
> -606
>
> 	
>
> -1.08 %
>
> Mappers
>
> 	
>
> 288
>
> 	
>
> 287
>
> 	
>
> -1
>
> 	
>
> 59'905
>
> 	
>
> 59'339
>
> 	
>
> -566
>
> 	
>
> -567
>
> 	
>
> -0.94 %
>
>
>
> Note: both set of numbers (from the 19th of June and the 19th of 
> September) use the same licensing state data from the 22nd of 
> September. The "Mappers" row reflect the change in the number of 
> mappers that created objects that are still visible in the database.
>
>
>
>
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