[OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

[Mike Dupont]

that sounds more like my conclusion, it is the end of the road for
share alike and sharing for osm.
basically it is turning into a dead end road.
well guys please help bekim, i have sent him to you,
mike

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alex Barth <alex at mapbox.com> wrote:
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> Mike, I think we should come to a clearer recommendation, specifically with regards to share-alike data.
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> The highly infectuous character of share alike licenses severely restricts OSM's leeway of adjusting its license and we shouldn't paint ourselves into a corner this way.
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> Here are the simple rules I do recommend currently when talking to people and that I would love OSM to adopt officially.
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> Contribute only data that is:
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> - Yours
> - Is public domain or merely requires attribution
> - You have an explicit permission from owner for contribution to OSM for
>
> BTW, I actually think there are only very few potential datasets that are in question here. I have doubts whether ODbL is actually compatible given OSMF's option to change the license to another open license in the future, and CC-BY-SA is clearly not compatible as it does not distinguish between derived and produced works.
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> On Sep 20, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz> wrote:
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>> On 20/09/2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I have a question about imports and the ODBl,
>>>
>>> I see that some sources have decided to dual license the data
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue
>>>
>>> But how can some third parties data be compatible when the CT says it
>>> can change any time, surly they might be compatible with the current
>>> instance of the license, but how can they be compatible with future
>>> versions of the license when they are no known?
>>>
>>> How can a contributor import any data and keep the data open to
>>> license change? How can you keep any imports at all from people who
>>> have not agreed to the CT directly?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> mike
>>>
>> This one has been covered pretty exhaustively previously.  To recap for all interested:
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>> () The CTs where written carefully to say, "If you contribute Contents, You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those Contents under our current licence terms."  "current license terms", so ODbL 1.0.
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>> () The future is the future, so cannot be known.
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>> () Should the license terms change in the future, there is a possibility that imported data may become incompatible. Therefore the original licensor needs be contacted for approval. Given the general trend to more open data, after what we are all about, that approval may well be given.
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>> () Note also that, by design, a duty to provide first level attribution is placed on the OSMF. This survives any potential license change and is general the most important concern of government organisations.
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>> () The is always the possibility that data may need to be removed and that is one of the minuses of imports. That is why it is important to always understand third-party licenses and to get general consent of any potentially affected, usually national or regional level, OSM mapping community before importing.  There is a healthy debate indirectly about this going on in the general talk list.
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>> Mike
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