[OSM-legal-talk] New contributing agency

Wed Nov 20 18:24:00 UTC 2013

Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public domain! ..
where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to you. Or: It's online
and no one will protest (immediately at least) if you put it in OSM.

The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is critical --
and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that...

Wishing you all the best, of course.

Cheers,
-Jaakko

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien <
fernando.trebien at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I have talked
> to don't seem to have access to any formal statement (contracts, laws,
> etc.) that ensures the data is truly "public domain" as they say. It is
> also possible that existing written statements would not clearly answer
> essential questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some other
> problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian authorities, and
> lack of court decisions that would help us interpret the law), I believe
> that getting them to write down exactly what we need them to agree with
> would be safer for us and also more productive for us and for them.
>
> Since these authorities often erroneously equate "public domain" with
> "free" or "open" (not even knowing the differences between the two), I
> believe the questions for them should be:
> - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users through
> OSM; and
> - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes.
>
> I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to hear your
> opinions and suggestions.
>
> Finally, we have already studied the data and found the conversion rather
> easy to do. Importing would probably require some coordinated effort, but
> for now it is the legal aspect that completely prevents us from beginning.
> Also, I think it would be fairer if the copyright page included a linked to
> the wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy some similar
> level of visibility.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Fernando
>>
>> I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing the
>> data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms?
>>
>> In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the
>> legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM and
>> if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is
>> digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at least
>> starting with the steps outlined in
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>>
>> As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there
>> is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it seems
>> to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation. Being listed
>> there does not in any way indicate that the contributions are or were more
>> important than contributions from the individuals and organisations listed
>> here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is
>> a practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as
>> possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the
>> attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend on
>> the outcome of any necessary negotiations.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
>>
>>  Hello everyone,
>>
>> I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a public university
>> here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've shown interest in contributing to OSM
>> their data, which includes roads, land contours, vegetation data, maybe
>> even geological data (it is a pretty extensive database). They would also
>> like to be listed as a contributor here in this page:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>>
>>  Though there may be a few details left to check yet, they've stated so
>> far that the dada is already regularly used for commercial purposes by many
>> Brazilian companies at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of
>> statement do they have to provide so that they get listed in that page?
>> What questions does the statement need to answer?
>>
>> --
>> Fernando Trebien
>> +55 (51) 9962-5409
>>
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>> "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law)
>>
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