[OSM-legal-talk] Attribution

Alex Barth alex at mapbox.com
Mon Apr 28 22:35:20 UTC 2014


Steve,

Agreed on a transparent process for tracking unattributed applications of
OpenStreetMap.

Separate from attribution however, the issue with “share-alike” is that
it's not open, and hurting our community. ODbL's share alike is simply
shutting out OpenStreetMap from many use cases = adoption = incentives to
contribute. While share-alike was intended to foster this project's growth
it now is only putting limits on it. We can fix this. There are straight
forward ways to make a license modification to ensure that our community
can evolve with the best most open license.

It's simplistic to make broad analogies - this isn't Linux or Wikipedia:
OpenStreetMap is data, data is useful down to its smallest subsets and
unfolding the full power of data is to allow it to be combined and mashed
up in any way with other datasets. And for OpenStreetMap to be used as part
of everything and used by different communities it needs to be truly open
data. By being more open we will grow our community and only improve the
data quality.

And it is this data that is going to change the world. The world is
changing fast right now and the very fact that OpenStreetMap is available
in a structured format starts to be its biggest advantage. We can see this
in humanitarian applications every day. I'm saying this with the deepest
respect to all contributors here: What's to gain is OpenStreetMap in a lot
more applications than today. With share alike dropped, a huge hurdle for
using OpenStreetMap is just gone.

Alex

PS: My talk on this very issue at SOTM-US
http://stateofthemap.us/session/more-open/


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> wrote:

> http://stevecoast.com/2014/04/28/attribution-is-it-time-to-name-and-shame/
>
> --
>
> OpenStreetMap <http://osm.org/> is the global, open and free map dataset
> that anyone can use. It is created by a huge community of volunteers who
> pour their time and energy in to the project. It’s also fun, beautiful and
> cool.
>
> So it’s sad that people don’t want to respect the license. It asks two
> very simple things:
>
>    1. Please say you’re using OSM. This is very simple<http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright>
>    .
>    2. If you change the map, please give the changes back. This is called
>    “share-alike”.
>
> Compared to paying a lot of money for incredibly license-restricted data,
> you’d think people would be ok with these requirements.
>
> Sadly, this isn’t the case.
>
> There are those who are now willfully disregarding our tiny little
> requirements. It’s being framed as some gigantic and unreasonable
> proposition, asking to say where the data came from or giving data back
> when you fix things. As if it’s completely bananas to ask such a thing. As
> if Linux or Wikipedia should be disaster ghost towns while asking for
> exactly the same thing of their users.
>
> This is just baloney. The real comparison should be; if you don’t like the
> license you’re free to use expensive and complicatedly-license data. That’s
> your option. Those guys are just a phone call away, and will be happy to
> sell you data. You’d probably find that they have very strong attribution
> requirements, just like OSM does.
>
> It is the ultimate disrespect to the volunteers who built the data to not
> even attribute their contributions. It’s even worse that there are some
> who’re trying to also own OSM for themselves by taking away the share-alike
> requirement.
>
> Is the license perfect? I’m afraid not. Specifically we need more
> clarification around the technical implementation and use of geocodes,
> especially in relation to other datasets. It’s hard today to technically
> comply with some of those edge cases.
>
> But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re speaking here about the
> simple ask, that if you use OSM you please say clearly on the map that it
> is OSM. You’re getting a great dataset, for free, under an open license,
> that millions of people are contributing to. We’re not asking for $100,000
> license fees, we’re just asking that you say who we are.
>
> It’s the ultimate human need; I was here. I did this.
>
> How could you deny people that?
>
> Apparently, easily and willfully. People within the OSM community have
> been frustrated and trying to fix it for some time. If we were a
> proprietary map supplier we’d revoke a license or jump to legal options.
>
> We are much nicer than that. I propose a four stage plan, organized on
> OSM’s legal mailing list<https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk>and tracked on the wiki:
>
>    1. A polite email, linking to our requirements
>    2. A week later: Another polite email, warning of what’s to come.
>    3. A week later: Another polite email, same as above
>    4. A week later: Very public naming and shaming on OSMs various social
>    media channels and blogs
>
> Most people who miss our requirements are making a simple error. This is a
> process that gives three opportunities and an entire month to correct the
> mistake. This is not a brand new idea or process. The FSF and others have
> named & shamed (and have even went further<http://news.slashdot.org/story/08/12/11/1745254/fsf-files-suit-against-cisco-for-gpl-violations>)
> for GPL violations in the past.
>
> In a narrow way, this all a good thing. It shows the growth and maturity
> of the project, that there are those out there that want to own it or take
> all the advantages without even saying where the data came from. But in the
> end, we have to defend ourselves for what little, tiny things we ask.
>
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