[OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

[Michael Collinson]

Luis,

Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments, I hope you don't mind 
that I've referenced the mail link on the page for resource reading!


On 30/04/2014 00:10, Luis Villa wrote:
> I think it is pretty clear that this rule is only for OSM/ODBL, but it 
> wouldn't hurt to make that more explicit. (It *has* to be only about 
> OSM, because you can't judge whether something is substantial without 
> knowing about the nature of the database (quantitative) and how the 
> data was obtained (qualitative).)
Good point and done on the general Community Guideline page.
>
> Few other comments:
>
>   * It might be helpful to link to
>     http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_features when talking about
>     Features, assuming those are the same concept, which I admit I'm
>     still not 100% sure about?
>   * It might be helpful to explain better why the page is focused on
>     insubstantial rather than substantial.
>   * The village/town distinction doesn't seem very helpful to me. If
>     the goal really is to push out commercial projects, very few
>     commercial projects are going to be viable at the town level - the
>     vast majority will be national level, with a few exceptions for
>     London/Paris/NY-level cities. So saying "you can use towns" would
>     still block out most commercial use while perhaps allowing some
>     small governments to do useful things. But I may be
>     misunderstanding the goal here?
>   * I find "This definition aims to:...Build a case for the
>     "qualitative" interpretation of Substantial" to be slightly
>     confusing - I /think/ that what is meant is something like "This
>     guideline attempts to clarify what uses would constitute a
>     substantial qualitative use of OSM data" (perhaps implying that
>     many important uses are not going to be quantitatively
>     substantial?), but I'm really not sure. I would clarify or remove
>     that.
>
I've done some rewording to the summary which I hope addresses these. 
I've not added a link to the map features page, they are not (really) 
the same concept. A "Feature" is how an ordinary map viewing individual 
would see things: a single road (even if broken into different segments 
for speed limits), a lake, a pub (even if tagged with multitudinous 
detail on the beer and ATM machines). A general note to all: these 
guidelines are directed at folks who are not familiar with OSM, so need 
to worded accordingly using simple, hopeful translatable, wording and 
sentences.
>
>  *
>
> Hope this is helpful-

Indeed!

Mike

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